Brits Rejoice, the Typhoon IB is coming !!

[Ripsnort]

RAM, my guess is that the typhoon is going to be a much better accelerator at low speed than the F4U or FW190, currently, every plane in AH can out-accelerate these two A/C with exception of the B17 and C47.

Ty-foons were also used in running down V-1's, very good low level speed and acceleration from what I've read.

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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~ XO
(Formerly VF-101 Grim Reapers~Rip1~Warbirds~)
JG2 "Richthofen"

"Opfer mussen gebracht werden"
— Otto Lilienthal

[RAM]

Yep Ripsnort I know that...but to accelerate more than other plane you must start at the same speed.   believe me that I'm not going to let any tiffie catch me low and slow... and if they follow me...well then better for me.low alt hispeed Fw190 vs low alt hispeed tiffie=Easy meat for my Fw190---  

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Ram, out

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[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-24-2000).]

[Replicant]

The ammunition available was 140 rounds per gun, and also an external bomb load of 2000lb.  Later versions had rail units for the carriage of four 3inch rockets fitted with a 60lb warhead.

Jase

[Jochen]

 

For 1942 Fw 190 can hardly be considered a better then average climber  
Saying it will outclimb anything "easily" would require matching it against Hurricane

and

According to RAE (RAF test facility) 4 cannon Typhoon was "outclimbed quite easily" by Fw 190A-4 in alt between 12kft - 17 kft.

Uhm, what word you didn't understand in above statement? Must be those RAE bastards, doing their flight tests drunk again...

Still, Typhoon climbs worser than Fw 190A-4 accorning to RAE. I'm pretty sure this will be the case in AH too.

 

Chill, it's ok, we will still laugh when you whine about Tiffy shooting your bellybutton off

That will never happen.

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jochen
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If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!

[-duma-]

I'm certain that's four 3inch rockets under each wing. Not four rockets total  

[jmccaul]

  It certainly isn't a dogfighter but most planes in AH aren't either (due to the '44 planeset) it does have speed and guns though which probably means it will do alright in the arena.
   The thing about the Typhoon 1b was when it became operational
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"The first RAF squadrons to get the Typhoon 1B were Nos. 56 and 609 in September 1941."
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That's from website at http://www.innercite.com/%7Erlmendes/art/gallery/luft46/minis/18.html

So the RAF will have the 1941 typhoon and the 1942 Spit 9 (the F was the '42 version) wouldn't it make more sense to give the RAF it's to premier fighters in '44 i.e. spit 14 and tempest V or at least the spit 9 LF or HF.

Here's a nice site with some intresting comparative trials of spit 14 v some of the main protaganists around '44 (mustang III, tempest V, spit 9, spit 8, 109 G and 190-A4 - with refernce to the D9.)
 http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit14pt.html    

[This message has been edited by jmccaul (edited 02-26-2000).]

[fd ski]

Spit 14 would turn the arena upside down  

There would be no place to hide for any other plane  


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   www.raf303.org  

[Krod]

The detachable tail problem was only found on the early Ia models. The problem had been found and corrected by the time of the later Ia and Ib varients.


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[jmccaul]

Hmm, i am a bit confused as to how the plane will perform, it seems there are many conflicting opinions :-

Verm said :
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I. Speed: The Tiffy will top out at around 405 mph at around 18,000 ft. Roughly the max speed of the La5, and slightly faster than the F4U-1's (398mph). But this is all deceptive. Down low (under 5000 ft), the Tiffy will do 374 mph, which is about 5-10 mph faster than any other plane in AH.

II. Acceleration: With anywhere between 2180hp-2260hp at Sea Level, this aircraft will have an empty powerloading of between 4.02 lbs/hp and 3.88 lbs/hp. Down low expect this plane to accelerate very quickly, but similarly to the N1K2 it will drop off rapidly with height. Heavy fuel loads however, will adversely effect acceleration.

III. Turn Rate: One way to estimate turn rate is too look at wingloading. With an empty wingloading of 31.48 lbs/sq ft, you can expect the Tiffy to perform similarly to the P-51 Mustang which has a empty wingloading of 32.77 lbs/sq ft. Of course fuel loads and armament carried effect performance accordingly.

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RAM said :-
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It had a great wingloading that made it hard to turn, a low-to-average rolling rate,poor climbrate ,poor acceleration
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I assume great means large (but it seems similar to most other BnZers')

And as for climb rate
Funked:-
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Loaded weight was in the 11k range, between the P-51D (10k) and F4U (12k), but it had more power than either. I'd expect initial climb about 3500-3750 fpm
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Jochen :-
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According to RAE (RAF test facility) 4 cannon Typhoon was "outclimbed quite easily" by Fw 190A-4 in alt between 12kft - 17 kft.

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Wardog :-
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Initial ROC was 3,000ft per min
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Can anyone give any defenitive figures as what to expect (Pyro???), mabye even a source for info posted. Thanks  

P.S. what is the realtionship between climb and acceleration (i had assumed it was to do with powerloading but i suppose how "clean" the airframe matters also but less while climbing while wing properties will effect both but in different ways?)

[Jochen]

I'm still saying that Typhoon is not very good climber. RAE test indicated that Fw 190A-4 'quite easily' outclimbed Typhoon in 12 - 17 kft alt. Also they made comment about top speeds saying they were pretty similar but it took Typhoon longer time to achieve that speed. This would indicate poor acceleration. Climb and acceleration do have quite a close relationship.

No doubt Typhoon has lots of power but it weights a lot and has very thick wing which causes lots of drag engine needs to overcome. There is also problem transferring that engine power to air with propeller.

Roll rate was not too good, maybe because of the weight of the plane? Fw 190A-4 could escape from Typhoon in turn just by quickly rolling to another direction and starting a turn.

There must be reason why RAF did not use Typhoon as a pure fighter more than they did. I think it was because Typhoon was not as good fighter as Spitfire. Because Typhoon was heavy and large, it was suitable for ground attack plane which needs to be able to take serious AA damage.

I think those who see Typhoon as a ultimate fighter will be somewhat disapointed. Of course, I could be wrong but most of the evidence I have seens points to that direction.

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jochen
Geschwaderkommodore
Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (Warbirds)

jochen
JG 2 'Richthofen' (Aces High)

If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!

[jmccaul]

Personally i would use the spit a2a, i am very curious as to how the typhoon will handle. As far as the current planeset i believe it won't be used a huge amount but as it has speed and guns it will do alright. Remember though it is late '41 plane so it will never dominate the '44 skys.

[Ripsnort]

With the planeset they have currently, wouldn't a Tempest be more appropriate?

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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~ XO
(Formerly VF-101 Grim Reapers~Rip1~Warbirds~)
JG2 "Richthofen"

"Opfer mussen gebracht werden"
— Otto Lilienthal