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Offline Drano

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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2012, 09:57:46 PM »
If you bothered to READ THE THREAD ... ? You might find that ... Too Much Trouble ?



Oh I did. I've also read many, many threads exactly like this one over the years too. The difference between you and I is that I can actually help the guy with an actual understanding of his question. Clearly, he had corner velocity and sustained turn rate confused so I tried to help him out. Others helped him too for which he was thankful. (No thanks needed btw, we're glad to help).


However, you responded with this gibberish--and it IS gibberish:


"Yeah! ...  Hehe! I think there's quite a bit of misunderstanding of the term Corner Speed. Here's -MY- misunderstanding ...

Corner Speed is a very simple statement of an exact speed. This number is based on the -MOST EFFICIENT- ratio of speed / turn radius, in a FLAT TURN. The actual number represents the SPEED AT WHICH YOU ENTER THE TURN. (Note that the term flat turn refers to constant altitude, NOT angle of bank.)

E is burned during the manuver, it is NOT maintained ... The corner speed NUMBER can also be thought of as the speed at which E is USED most efficiently.
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What in THE HELL is THAT supposed to mean? Seriously? You think you helped that guy out with YOUR "misunderstanding" there?

As I said before--if YOU actually read it--is that you're FAR from understanding the questions here bro. So don't start acting like you're helping this or any other guy out with crap like this. Just shut thy pie hole for a while and you might find there's people on these forums such as myself that are glad to help out. You're not part of that group. You're far from that group, in fact. You're more of a harm than a help. Your "own ideal" is just plain--wrong.

A quick look at your stats over the last few months show that you spend a majority of your time in the ship guns. Really dude? That said, what might make you anything bordering on an authority on subjects like corner velocity? You hardly fly planes--which is where you'd learn about such things and when you do you tend to get the crap knocked out of you. To your credit you do fly a 38 when you do so all is not lost. Your problem with this game--and you DO have a problem with it--is you're frustrated with how difficult it is. So you lash out at people here? Sorry bro but that ain't gonna cut it. Looks to me like you could really use the help but with an attitude like yours I'd have to say--good luck with that. Keep thinking you're gonna teach yourself.

You've made statements on this forum describing your years of experience. The BS meter is flying apart on that one. Your stats don't lie. Your <cough>"understanding" of a basic flying principle like corner velocity doesn't bear that out either. Nice try.

You have a tendency to make ridiculous statements here that you never back up. An attempted attack on my reputation here not long ago among them. Fact is, you're a fool.

Suck on that.
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Offline EVZ

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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2012, 03:42:05 AM »
However, you responded with this gibberish--and it IS gibberish
I said - "Yeah! ...  Hehe! I think there's quite a bit of misunderstanding of the term Corner Speed. Here's -MY- misunderstanding ..."

I'm sorry it took some of you so long to comprehend WHAT the guy was looking for ...

It's not gibberish, it's just SIMPLE ... In a turn and burn fight, few pilots have the time or inclination to pull out the old slide rule ... If you know before hand a GENRAL reference point for the best speed/energy loss ratio, a quick glance can provide a LOT of usefull insight, instantly ... I don't care what you call it ... Corner Speed was the term USED in this case, I've seen and heard it used by a lot of computer pilots interested in actual Fighting Performance rather than spread sheet graphs. AS HT NOTED - IT'S GOOD TO KNOW. Language and Lingo ... makes the difference in whether you wind up in the stew pot or sleeping with the chiefs daughter.
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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2012, 04:32:05 AM »
A quick look at your stats over the last few months show that you spend a majority of your time in the ship guns. Really dude?  - you do fly a 38 when you do so all is not lost.
A quick look at my stats tells you nothing about where I spend game time. I don't mind admitting I'm Good in Guns and when a base needs shelled or a carrier requires defending that's where I'm needed ... But it accounts for very little time really, as there is no transit involved ... just jump in and start shooting. & Yes ... I like the P-38, best ride in MWA for my $$$, but it's 2 bomb capacity tempt me to use it for attack, which it isn't well suited for. SO this tour I'm trying to stick to the 190 for attack missions.

It's sad you're so delusional ... Put a nice Picasso Print on the wall and consider other viewpoints before you -DECIDE what's going on.-

You've made statements on this forum describing your years of experience. The BS meter is flying apart on that one.
Yes ... My experience with aircraft started at the age of 14 ... I soloed at 15, in an aircraft I personally welded the NEW motor mount frame for. It's been a lot of fun ... I've known a few like you too ... they don't usually last long before they screw the pooch.
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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2012, 09:48:34 AM »
I said - "Yeah! ...  Hehe! I think there's quite a bit of misunderstanding of the term Corner Speed. Here's -MY- misunderstanding ..."

I'm sorry it took some of you so long to comprehend WHAT the guy was looking for ...

It's not gibberish, it's just SIMPLE ... In a turn and burn fight, few pilots have the time or inclination to pull out the old slide rule ... If you know before hand a GENRAL reference point for the best speed/energy loss ratio, a quick glance can provide a LOT of usefull insight, instantly ... I don't care what you call it ... Corner Speed was the term USED in this case, I've seen and heard it used by a lot of computer pilots interested in actual Fighting Performance rather than spread sheet graphs. AS HT NOTED - IT'S GOOD TO KNOW. Language and Lingo ... makes the difference in whether you wind up in the stew pot or sleeping with the chiefs daughter.
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I stated that CORNER SPEED is good to know. Corner speed has ZERO to do with your statements in this thread.

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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2012, 10:10:39 AM »
Drano,
you are arguing with a guy who agrees with half the crap davidwales spits out.

Yeah...
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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #50 on: February 06, 2012, 11:09:57 AM »
Drano,
you are arguing with a guy who agrees with half the crap davidwales spits out.

Yeah...

I said in his ramming thread I'd put him on the shelf with him. Twins separated at birth? :D
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Offline EVZ

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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2012, 12:05:43 PM »
I stated that CORNER SPEED is good to know. Corner speed has ZERO to do with your statements in this thread.
Given the the consensual ? definition that seems to have been arrived at - I would agree ... However ... the term was misused from the git-go and my comments were directed at the OP request - maximum SUSTAINED turn radius vs speed (aka Corner Speed)?  Would be useful in determining in flight your best speed to maintain if a turn fight is what you are in. tho I suspect? he meant MINIMUM rather than Maximum. AND sustained speed will either Burn E or get you killed ...

PERSONALLY - In order to take full advantage of the aircraft without wasting any potential E, I want to know the best speed to START turning at, as MY interest is not focused on the gauges once the fight starts. Knowing the optimum entry speed and the expected energy decay helps with acessing options.

I DID find it interesting how the threads course changed from -stupid question that doesn't apply to AH- into, -here's where you can find what you want - after your comments. I look forward to seeing any comparison charts generated by this thread ...
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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2012, 12:30:51 PM »
sustained speed will ... Burn E.

no it wont. hence why it is called best sustained turn speed.
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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2012, 02:59:09 PM »
It's just not gonna get through his armor plated skull Holmes. He knows he's right and we're all crazy! :rofl :rofl
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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2012, 03:01:40 PM »
I know, its for the benefit of others reading the thread hoping to learn something ;)
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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2012, 04:09:51 PM »
Guys... play nice in the sandbox, no need to flame each other.  Differences of opinion are fine, ALL knowledge is good.  Filter out what you don't need (or think you don't need) and get on with it.  As the OP for this thread, I am pretty disappointed it comes down to name calling, when I only asked what I still consider a valid question, the answer to which I'm not sure I have, still checking and filtering...

I have said previously, I REALLY appreciate the dialogue, and as long as my knowledge increases from it, I am a happy camper.  I can do without the flamed differences of opinions though, it is REALLY not needed, and is counterproductive.

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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2012, 04:18:30 PM »
no it wont. hence why it is called best sustained turn speed.
Please note, the - OR GET YOU KILLED ... Widen the turn enough to sustain the speed WITHOUT burning E (diving) to do so ... and your opponent WILL take advantage of your mistake and KILL YOU ... dontcha think?
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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #57 on: February 06, 2012, 04:40:57 PM »

I have said previously, I REALLY appreciate the dialogue, and as long as my knowledge increases from it, I am a happy camper.  I can do without the flamed differences of opinions though, it is REALLY not needed, and is counterproductive.

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Understand Diz this isn't a difference of opinion. EVZ is just dead nuts wrong about this and his "opinion" on the matter is not something that would help you or anyone else--hence the flames from the rest of us with a clue that are trying to help you out. Please tune this guy out if you wish to get any better. He showed up here a few months back with this attitude like he invented this. Which make no mistake--he didn't. As far as he's concerned his is the only opinion that matters here and he's never even slightly wrong-even when like here he's way off and even when it's been pointed out to him again and again and again. That's the difference between a guy like you and a guy like him. You I'm glad to help. Him, well--he's made it clear he needs no one's help.

PM incoming.

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Offline RTHolmes

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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #58 on: February 06, 2012, 04:42:33 PM »
Please note etc...

I discarded that because its irrelevant, this thread is about E-M charts, corner speed and best sustained turn speed for your own aircraft.

ACM is technical and confusing, and you are muddying the waters here.
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Re: Corner Speed Chart
« Reply #59 on: February 06, 2012, 04:57:35 PM »
This may have already been posted, I did not read the whole thread.

I think this is exactly what you were looking for.

http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_011a.html