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Oi Vay
« on: February 06, 2012, 08:43:33 PM »
No, I'm not Jewish, but I think that the expression is apt.

Today in French I had the displeasure of learning about environmentalism.  Now, while many would call me a 'hippie treehugger,' I know that not every method of 'going green' is helpful in preserving our planet's precious resources and the climate that lets us grow food.  So, here are a few sample questions.  The answers were either 'Good for the environment' or 'Bad for the environment' with nothing in between.

1.) Driving hybrid vehicles
2.) Cutting down more trees
3.) Hunting animals for fur
4.) Using aerosols

I just can't believe how poorly worded these questions are.  They make no mention of how much CO2 is created in building, say, a Prius and where the electricity comes from, or that hunting can be conducted responsibly, or that using aerosols does not necessitate the use of greenhouse gas or CFC propellants, or that trees can be replanted after careful harvesting.  When I asked my friends about it (and we are in the Honors class, so it's not like I'm hanging around with tweedle dee and tweedle dum) they said 'Don't think about it, just answer it'.  Their views on hunting were so extreme that it was unbearable: Hunting animals is bad, period.  Many species, such as deer, have exploding populations due to the extinction of natural predators, so hunting is a good way to control pests.

When I asked the teacher, it was even worse.  She said "9/10 of us say that it's green, so it's green.  Just go with the majority opinion."  For all the talk about 'The good old days' of education, those days had certainly not taught her that a show of hands doth not a true statement make.  While I agree that we must be good stewards of the planet, getting sucked in by commercial hype and acting like sheep isn't the way to do it.  It's the little stuff like shutting the lights off or turning down the heat or A/C that really make the difference.  Idiots.

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Re: Oi Vay
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 08:47:22 PM »
90% of Oxygen production and CO2 is scrubbed from the atmosphere by algae... forests are pretty, but it's really not a horrible thing to cut down a tree.

I'd be more concerned with the chemicals used in making batteries slowly seeping into ground water and making their way to the Ocean.
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2012, 08:57:15 PM »
Audi TDI's can go 25,000km between Oil Changes.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2012, 09:01:51 PM »
well, if this was in French class as you say, then I imagine they are just trying to teach you how to say/write the 'correct' answers for passing the tests etc, rather than having a serious discussion on environmentalism...don't read too much into it

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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2012, 09:02:10 PM »
Audi TDI's can go 25,000km between Oil Changes.

The PT-6 turbine in the T-6A Texan II NEVER needs an oil change.  It burns off a bit all on its own so it just needs topping off every few flights.  That must mean it's totally GREEN, right?
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2012, 11:43:41 PM »
Read up on Agenda 21 if you want to know what all that brainwashing is about.

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 01:20:07 AM »
Badly worded but I'll have a go.

A Japanese hybrid is one of the worst polluters in the world. The batteries contents are mined in South America, shipped to Japan, finally put in the cars then shipped across the world.
Cutting down trees unlocks more carbon and hydrocarbons stored.
Hunting Animals for fur is... Bad for the animal, good for the enviroment. No more polluting for you chinchilla! Animal methane is terrible.
Aerosols are no longer a danger to the enviroment as CFCs are banned and conpanies recycle the cans.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2012, 01:27:57 AM »
Read up on Agenda 21 if you want to know what all that brainwashing is about.

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2012, 10:35:21 AM »
No, I'm not Jewish, but I think that the expression is apt.

Today in French I had the displeasure of learning about environmentalism.  Now, while many would call me a 'hippie treehugger,' I know that not every method of 'going green' is helpful in preserving our planet's precious resources and the climate that lets us grow food.  So, here are a few sample questions.  The answers were either 'Good for the environment' or 'Bad for the environment' with nothing in between.

1.) Driving hybrid vehicles
2.) Cutting down more trees
3.) Hunting animals for fur
4.) Using aerosols

I just can't believe how poorly worded these questions are.  They make no mention of how much CO2 is created in building, say, a Prius and where the electricity comes from, or that hunting can be conducted responsibly, or that using aerosols does not necessitate the use of greenhouse gas or CFC propellants, or that trees can be replanted after careful harvesting.  When I asked my friends about it (and we are in the Honors class, so it's not like I'm hanging around with tweedle dee and tweedle dum) they said 'Don't think about it, just answer it'.  Their views on hunting were so extreme that it was unbearable: Hunting animals is bad, period.  Many species, such as deer, have exploding populations due to the extinction of natural predators, so hunting is a good way to control pests.

When I asked the teacher, it was even worse.  She said "9/10 of us say that it's green, so it's green.  Just go with the majority opinion."  For all the talk about 'The good old days' of education, those days had certainly not taught her that a show of hands doth not a true statement make.  While I agree that we must be good stewards of the planet, getting sucked in by commercial hype and acting like sheep isn't the way to do it.  It's the little stuff like shutting the lights off or turning down the heat or A/C that really make the difference.  Idiots.

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Re: Oi Vay
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2012, 04:43:16 PM »
Read up on Agenda 21 if you want to know what all that brainwashing is about.

I'm not so much concerned that it's brainwashing, rather a mistake in the system (e.g., math is 'brainwashing' in the same as sense as what I described, but as long as the information is correct then it's fine).  It's the poor conduction of the lesson and vague questions that frustrate me. 

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Re: Oi Vay
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2012, 05:34:05 PM »
No, I'm not Jewish, but I think that the expression is apt.

Today in French I had the displeasure of learning about environmentalism.  Now, while many would call me a 'hippie treehugger,' I know that not every method of 'going green' is helpful in preserving our planet's precious resources and the climate that lets us grow food.  So, here are a few sample questions.  The answers were either 'Good for the environment' or 'Bad for the environment' with nothing in between.

1.) Driving hybrid vehicles
2.) Cutting down more trees
3.) Hunting animals for fur
4.) Using aerosols

I just can't believe how poorly worded these questions are.  They make no mention of how much CO2 is created in building, say, a Prius and where the electricity comes from, or that hunting can be conducted responsibly, or that using aerosols does not necessitate the use of greenhouse gas or CFC propellants, or that trees can be replanted after careful harvesting.  When I asked my friends about it (and we are in the Honors class, so it's not like I'm hanging around with tweedle dee and tweedle dum) they said 'Don't think about it, just answer it'.  Their views on hunting were so extreme that it was unbearable: Hunting animals is bad, period.  Many species, such as deer, have exploding populations due to the extinction of natural predators, so hunting is a good way to control pests.

When I asked the teacher, it was even worse.  She said "9/10 of us say that it's green, so it's green.  Just go with the majority opinion."  For all the talk about 'The good old days' of education, those days had certainly not taught her that a show of hands doth not a true statement make.  While I agree that we must be good stewards of the planet, getting sucked in by commercial hype and acting like sheep isn't the way to do it.  It's the little stuff like shutting the lights off or turning down the heat or A/C that really make the difference.  Idiots.

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Re: Oi Vay
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2012, 06:01:45 PM »
It's not trolling if it's true. 

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Re: Oi Vay
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2012, 06:24:21 PM »
It's not trolling if it's true. 

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On the contrary, posting the truth is often the best way to troll, because so many people don't want to hear it.
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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2012, 06:42:46 PM »
On the contrary, posting the truth is often the best way to troll, because so many people don't want to hear it.

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