IL-2, the Bomber

[AWwrgwy]

As has been demonstrated by the Fi 156 Storch, we can have a "bomber" without the F3 view.

Could we get the IL-2 back as a "bomber" to have something viable for base defense with the Fighter Hangers down again?



wrongway

[MachFly]

+1

[guncrasher]

il2 should be back to "bomber" without the f3 view.


semp

[Butcher]

The Il-2 was a ground attack plane not a bomber.

[MachFly]

The Il-2 was a ground attack plane not a bomber.

Sure but we can still classify it as a bomber. The only difference would be is that it would be able to take off from bomber hangars and effect your bomber score. Fi 156 is a lot further from a bomber than an Il-2, yet it's still classified as a bomber.

[Butcher]

Sure but we can still classify it as a bomber. The only difference would be is that it would be able to take off from bomber hangars and effect your bomber score. Fi 156 is a lot further from a bomber than an Il-2, yet it's still classified as a bomber.

I think there is a need for the observation class for the Fi 156 this would solve the issue. The Storch is not a bomber or attack aircraft, rather an Observation / Light aircraft.

Adding the Observation Class makes sense, however not sure how its going to be arranged.

[Rich52]

The funniest thing about that scam is the de-F3 the IL2 crowd got their way by whining that f3 made the IL2 such an incomparable fighter plane.
When the reality was it was the scheming GV crowd behind the charade who orchestrated the entire farce cause their precious perked tanks kept blowing up.

[321BAR]

The funniest thing about that scam is the de-F3 the IL2 crowd got their way by whining that f3 made the IL2 such an incomparable fighter plane.
When the reality was it was the scheming GV crowd behind the charade who orchestrated the entire farce cause their precious perked tanks kept blowing up.

hey rich... i and many others in this game used F3 in the IL2 to line up overshoot shots with the 20mil and 37 mil cannons. some got so good (we all know who) that one was infamous in the IL2 as base defence. since the taking away of F3 in IL2s i havent seen as many defending bases. sheesh sometimes the IL2 was better at defending than some fighters were

[Krusty]

The IL-2 should not have been abused so badly for base defense.

Here's a funny thought: You want to defend a base, TAKE OFF TO DEFEND IT BEFORE IT'S DOWN!


-10 Trillion on putting F3 back on IL-2s. Had nothing to do with GV spotting or the Storch.

[Butcher]

The IL-2 should not have been abused so badly for base defense.

Here's a funny thought: You want to defend a base, TAKE OFF TO DEFEND IT BEFORE IT'S DOWN!


-10 Trillion on putting F3 back on IL-2s. Had nothing to do with GV spotting or the Storch.

Put the F3 back then the Fi 156 becomes useless, so leave the F3 off.

[FLS]

The Storch is as much a bomber as the C-47.  The IL-2 is an attack aircraft.

[EVZ]

The Storch is as much a bomber as the C-47.  The IL-2 is an attack aircraft.

We agree! HT could add - & MISC - to the Bomber tab heading I guess ... I wouldn't consider it necessary, but that would be the EASIEST fix ... I can't see a seperate OBSERVATION class as necessary either at this point, maybe once the PBY and SR-71 are added?

[SmokinLoon]

The Il-2 was a ground attack plane not a bomber.

FINALLY, someone said it other than me. 

The Il-2 was designed from the very beginning as a "direct fire support" aircraft, it was used to attack specific targets, and not general areas.

[AWwrgwy]

The IL-2 should not have been abused so badly for base defense.

Here's a funny thought: You want to defend a base, TAKE OFF TO DEFEND IT BEFORE IT'S DOWN!


-10 Trillion on putting F3 back on IL-2s. Had nothing to do with GV spotting or the Storch.

Not asking for F3 back.

The Storch is a "bomber" and does not have F3 so.....



wrongway

[bustr]

If you want to furball ask for the IL10.

In October 1944, the Il-10 first entered service with training units in the Soviet Air Force. In January 1945, the first Il-10 combat unit entered service with the 78th Guards Assault Aviation Regiment, but it did not enter action due to unfinished training. However, three other Il-10 units managed to take part in the final combat actions of World War II in Europe. They were the 571st Assault Aviation Regiment (from 15 April 1945), the 108th Guards Assault Aviation Regiment (from 16 April 1945), and the 118th Guards Assault Aviation Regiment (on 8 May 1945). About a dozen aircraft were destroyed by flak or engine breakdowns, but the Il-10 appeared to be a successful design. One was shot down by an Fw 190 fighter, but a crew of the 118th Regiment shot down another Fw 190 and probably damaged another. On 10 May 1945, the day after the official Soviet end of the war, (Victory Day), there were 120 serviceable Il-10s in Soviet Air Force combat units, and 26 disabled ones.

After the USSR reentered the war against the Empire of Japan, with the invasion of Manchuria, from 9 August 1945, one Il-10 unit, the 26th Assault Aviation Regiment of the Pacific Navy Aviation, was used in combat in the Korean Peninsula, attacking Japanese ships in Rasin and rail transports.

Or: PTAB-2.5-1.5 SCAP to counter the evil Wirbel Aces in the game now.

To compensate for the poor accuracy of the Il-2's bombsight, in 1943 the Soviet Command decided to use shaped-charge armor-piercing projectiles against enemy armored vehicles, and the PTAB-2.5-1.5 SCAP aircraft bomb was put into production. These small-calibre bombs were loaded directly into the bomb bays and were dropped onto enemy vehicles from altitudes up to 100 meters (328 ft). As each Il-2 could carry up to 192 bombs, a fire carpet 70 meters (229 ft.) long and 15 meters (49 ft) wide covered the enemy tanks, giving a high "kill" probability. Pilots of 291st ShAP were the first to use the PTAB-2.5-1.5 bombs. During one sortie on 5 June 1943, six attack aircraft led by Lt. Col. A. Vitrook destroyed 15 enemy tanks in one attack, and during five days of the enemy advance the 291st Division claimed to have destroyed or damaged 422 enemy tanks.

The VVS listed the IL2 and IL10 as Armored Ground Attack. Not bombers which they sucked at.