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Re: Libyans destroying wargraves of British/commonwealth soldiers
« Reply #75 on: March 05, 2012, 10:51:03 AM »
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=54c_1330621949

Sickening.

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Re: Libyans destroying wargraves of British/commonwealth soldiers
« Reply #76 on: March 05, 2012, 11:09:20 AM »
In all fairness Rich we shouldn't base our perception of a particular faith based on the actions of a few. I'd venture to say that 95% of the followers of Islam are peace loving folks that just want to live their lives the best they know how, without harming anyone.  :salute

Unfortunatly that "few" is in the millions and millions. Either actively participating in extremism, paying the bill for it, or simply giving it "extremism" moral support.

Why is it always "95%" whenever I hear the same silly statement westerners keep repeating to make themselves feel better after another attack by terrorists? No doubt the Dodo birds said the same thing about Humanity while they were heading to the big black.
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Re: Libyans destroying wargraves of British/commonwealth soldiers
« Reply #77 on: March 06, 2012, 11:43:35 AM »
The dodo bird?  So you're saying that non-muslims face an existential risk due to muslims.  No.  The amount of ordinance required to even wipe out a tiny country like Lithuania (no disrespect, but it is tiny) is more than any terrorist group can muster.  Muslim extremists aren't the whole story, either, there are also right-wing extremist (neo-nazi, white supremacist, etc.,) groups roaming the Deep South.  I'm not talking about the odd redneck that forgot that the Civil War ended; these are fully armed militias that are not affiliated with Al-Qaeda.  A good example is the scores-strong group that planned to kill hundreds or even thousands of U.S. government employees with ricin gas in an effort to "save the country".  Luckily for those employees, the cell was caught before the plan could be put into action.  Regarding the KKK in particular, besides normal police work and smear campaigns, there wasn't much done about them.  Racists lost faith in them and the group petered out on its own.  There was no assassination campaign needed.  The same applies to groups like Al-Qaeda; they are not so much self-sustaining movements as the manifestation of fear and frustration.

That is to say that being part of Al-Qaeda in, say, modern Afghanistan, is akin to being part of the KKK in 60s Alabama.  Though in each case the existence of the native culture gave it ammunition (more so for the KKK) the culture itself did not spawn the group.  For instance, if I took a bunch of Wall Street investors and showed them that a stock was undervalued and expected to skyrocket, then they would likely buy the stock.  However, until I came down and showed them the stock, they probably wouldn't have bought it.  The same applies in regions like Afghanistan: If you take a bunch of villagers who hear rockets, bombs, and screaming going on daily and you scare the pants off them and tell them that it's all somebody's fault, they're likely to believe you if you are at least somewhat good at persuasion.  However, those villagers would have likely just sat it out until the fighting ended and made some nice rugs or pottery or built a house if you hadn't come by.  Therefore, the villagers shouldn't be punished, they need to be educated about how this mess got started in terms that they can understand.  Likewise, the terrorist cells need to lose credibility more than their members need to be killed.  As long as Al-Qaeda can recruit new members, killing one of them only puts things off for a bit because a new member will join.  The job is so risky that even severe casualties won't deter them.  It's a war of hearts and minds, not guns and ammo.  That's a good thing, too, because fighting the latter kind of war means a lot more people on both sides don't come home to their families- no matter who you are or what you believe, and barring imminent threats to others' lives, you have the right to see tomorrow.

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Re: Libyans destroying wargraves of British/commonwealth soldiers
« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2012, 05:03:12 PM »
The dodo bird?  So you're saying that non-muslims face an existential risk due to muslims.  No.  The amount of ordinance required to even wipe out a tiny country like Lithuania (no disrespect, but it is tiny) is more than any terrorist group can muster.  Muslim extremists aren't the whole story, either, there are also right-wing extremist (neo-nazi, white supremacist, etc.,) groups roaming the Deep South.  I'm not talking about the odd redneck that forgot that the Civil War ended; these are fully armed militias that are not affiliated with Al-Qaeda.  A good example is the scores-strong group that planned to kill hundreds or even thousands of U.S. government employees with ricin gas in an effort to "save the country".  Luckily for those employees, the cell was caught before the plan could be put into action.  Regarding the KKK in particular, besides normal police work and smear campaigns, there wasn't much done about them.  Racists lost faith in them and the group petered out on its own.  There was no assassination campaign needed.  The same applies to groups like Al-Qaeda; they are not so much self-sustaining movements as the manifestation of fear and frustration.

That is to say that being part of Al-Qaeda in, say, modern Afghanistan, is akin to being part of the KKK in 60s Alabama.  Though in each case the existence of the native culture gave it ammunition (more so for the KKK) the culture itself did not spawn the group.  For instance, if I took a bunch of Wall Street investors and showed them that a stock was undervalued and expected to skyrocket, then they would likely buy the stock.  However, until I came down and showed them the stock, they probably wouldn't have bought it.  The same applies in regions like Afghanistan: If you take a bunch of villagers who hear rockets, bombs, and screaming going on daily and you scare the pants off them and tell them that it's all somebody's fault, they're likely to believe you if you are at least somewhat good at persuasion.  However, those villagers would have likely just sat it out until the fighting ended and made some nice rugs or pottery or built a house if you hadn't come by.  Therefore, the villagers shouldn't be punished, they need to be educated about how this mess got started in terms that they can understand.  Likewise, the terrorist cells need to lose credibility more than their members need to be killed.  As long as Al-Qaeda can recruit new members, killing one of them only puts things off for a bit because a new member will join.  The job is so risky that even severe casualties won't deter them.  It's a war of hearts and minds, not guns and ammo.  That's a good thing, too, because fighting the latter kind of war means a lot more people on both sides don't come home to their families- no matter who you are or what you believe, and barring imminent threats to others' lives, you have the right to see tomorrow.

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Re: Libyans destroying wargraves of British/commonwealth soldiers
« Reply #79 on: March 06, 2012, 05:33:50 PM »
Stop pretending to be a teenager.

^----- This.

Actually having him just stop posting all together would be nice.

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Re: Libyans destroying wargraves of British/commonwealth soldiers
« Reply #80 on: March 06, 2012, 05:52:07 PM »
If anyone can reach Masherbrum, can they ask him if there were any way that I could prove to him that I'm just a kid, and not a grown man pretending to be one?  I've got plenty of pictures, heck even a video.  I can answer AH2 and BBS trivia in a Skype conversation, whatever it is, I just want to clear this issue up.  I don't know where he got the idea.  I never claimed to be grown up, it's just that I didn't say it the first day that I came here.

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Re: Libyans destroying wargraves of British/commonwealth soldiers
« Reply #81 on: March 06, 2012, 06:46:18 PM »
No one can reach Karaya. They've been trying for years..............  :old:  :uhoh


and FYI I also don't buy that you're a youngster either. And don't be posting any little boy pictures. It'll creep me out dude.  :confused:

and this ---> I'm not talking about the odd redneck that forgot that the Civil War ended; these are fully armed militias that are not affiliated with Al-Qaeda.     we mustn't speak of this again...k....k  :aok  :noid
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Re: Libyans destroying wargraves of British/commonwealth soldiers
« Reply #82 on: March 06, 2012, 07:00:29 PM »
Penguin your not broadcasting from the moon are you?
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Re: Libyans destroying wargraves of British/commonwealth soldiers
« Reply #83 on: March 06, 2012, 07:06:51 PM »
there are also right-wing extremist (neo-nazi, white supremacist, etc.,) groups roaming the Deep South.  I'm not talking about the odd redneck that forgot that the Civil War ended; these are fully armed militias..................... .......


I take issue with that!  :furious The ones I know...errrr heard of... :noid, live in the upper north west! Washington, Oregon, Utah....those places.  You no not of what u speak.




and before that gets out of hand,I'm joking. I know no neo-nazi, white supremacists, nor am I affiliated with any other coocoo groups out there.....except for this nutty crowd around here that is. That's as silly as I care to be.  ;)
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Re: Libyans destroying wargraves of British/commonwealth soldiers
« Reply #84 on: March 06, 2012, 07:16:56 PM »
I don't have too many of those since I'm usually the one behind the lens, not in front of it.  Here's one that a friend took of me while I was at a FIRST competition:



I was there to take photographs for my team, and this is our robot:



We're the Robo-Rebels, and this is our website: http://www.walpolerobotics.com/  We just renovated it- the old one looked like it was from 1995!

uptown, there are certainly Nazi's in Idaho, but they seem more of a political organization than something to worry about seriously, like those Deep South militias.  I'm certain that there are terrorists up in Northwest, too, though.

Rich52  :lol Good one!  Iron Sky was a good movie, but I'm no Nazi.

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Re: Libyans destroying wargraves of British/commonwealth soldiers
« Reply #85 on: March 06, 2012, 07:25:24 PM »
Cool robo thingajiggy !  :aok Looks like fun




P.S. don't BS us. You're that bald dude in the background aren't ya?!......... aren't ya! We all know that the 1st picture is your daughter and not you. Jeeezzz how dumb do u think we are!  :devil
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« Reply #86 on: March 06, 2012, 11:02:15 PM »
It's good to hear that you understand.  If only Masherbrum could see this.  Would you mind PM'ing him about how I haven't been lying for the past three years?

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Re: Libyans destroying wargraves of British/commonwealth soldiers
« Reply #87 on: March 06, 2012, 11:13:24 PM »
Loweest form of subhumans on earth.
Completely agreed. I wouldn't mind seeing the entire middle east turn into a huge crater. Actually, it would be quite the view.  :cheers:
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« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2012, 11:28:43 PM »
Completely agreed. I wouldn't mind seeing the entire middle east turn into a huge crater. Actually, it would be quite the view.  :cheers:

So while one must be subhuman to destroy a grave, genocide is totally fine.  You realize that most of the Middle East detests terrorism just as much as we do?  They cry when their relatives die by IED's too.

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Re: Libyans destroying wargraves of British/commonwealth soldiers
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2012, 11:30:35 PM »
It's good to hear that you understand.  If only Masherbrum could see this.  Would you mind PM'ing him about how I haven't been lying for the past three years?

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 :huh I ain't going to do that. I make enough trouble for myself around here without getting in the middle of someone else's arguments. Besides, a picture or two proves nothing. I can post a pic of Mr.Bean and tell everyone it's me if I wanted to. But that don't make it so. And besides that, the last time I seen Kayara he shot at me .......with cannons! I don't think he would appreciate a PM from me on your behalf.


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