Sea Planes

[Arlo]

Abandoned SHII PBY model.

[Arlo]

Heya Arlo. Good to see you're still above ground amigo.

What with seeing more and more AW/AH friends passing on .... I'm glad to be here (and see you here, as well).

[Ack-Ack]

Bombers were USED as -second choice- Scouts and Patrol craft when SEA PLANES WERE NOT AVAILABLE ... generally they lacked the special equipment (like RDF) and TRAINED OBSERVATION CREWS the catalinas had ... Aside from THAT their use was as ASW & Convoy Escorts ... Just because it has WINGS your 109 is NOT going to get the Storch's Observation advantages and your B-24 doesn't qualify as an OBSERVATION plane. DUH ?

Bombers like the B-17 and the B-24 were not used as a "second choice", It was a regular role for bombers in the PTO and even in the ETO (see RAF Bomber Command's Very Long Range Liberators).  While purpose built aircraft, like the Catalina existed, the lion's share of patrol duties fell on bombers such as the PBJ-1 (USN's version of the B-25).

Please do yourself a favor and read about the air war in the PTO or in World War II in general.  This way you will stop posting the incorrect tripe you've been posting so far.

ack-ack

[Arlo]

He should watch 'In Harm's Way.'

[Drano]

Bombers like the B-17 and the B-24 were not used as a "second choice", It was a regular role for bombers in the PTO and even in the ETO (see RAF Bomber Command's Very Long Range Liberators).  While purpose built aircraft, like the Catalina existed, the lion's share of patrol duties fell on bombers such as the PBJ-1 (USN's version of the B-25).

Please do yourself a favor and read about the air war in the PTO or in World War II in general.  This way you will stop posting the incorrect tripe you've been posting so far.

ack-ack

Heck even the Luftwaffe, that had excellent seaplanes like that DO-24 above, used the FW-200 Condor (umm--also NOT a seaplane) for it's long range maritime patrolling. Look it up. It actually happened!

[EVZ]

Jeebus bud are you still here? Stop making stuff up willya. You're 100% wrong on each point - Just stop with the whacky misinformation.

No ... I'm not wrong ... YES, Early in the war, regular BOMBER SQUADONS were tasked for recon to fill in the gaps, without ANY training or equipment Why don't you name us ONE Heavy Bomber Squadron that was tasked for -FRONT LINE RECON- that wasn't relieved as SOON as an Amphibian Squadron was available? ... Tell us about HOW MANY Catalina Squadrons were HELD IN RESERVE (hint: 0) as they weren't DESPERATELY NEEDED at the front. EXPLAIN why all the foriegn orders for the Catalina's were CANCELLED immediately upon commencement of hostilities? The Field Based Recon Bomber squadrons that existed were stationed in the Aleutians or at Mainland Costal Bases and were staffed by misfits not judged capable of Strat Bombing Ops and Returned Aircrews finishing out their enlistments ... MOSTLY they were on ASW patrol ... ... PBY squadrons were staffed by the TOP OF THE CLASS Multi Engine Pilots and went to special schooling for observation dutys ... It's HISTORY and EASILY VERIFIABLE ... learn how to read a book and stop googling every weirdo web site on the net.

[EVZ]

He should watch 'In Harm's Way.'

Ah yes ... The John Wayne school of recorded history. now THERE's a RELIABLE source of facts ...

[Arlo]

Ah yes ... The John Wayne school of recorded history. now THERE's a RELIABLE source of facts ...

More reliable than anything you've quoted to date. 

[Drano]

No ... I'm not wrong ... YES, Early in the war, regular BOMBER SQUADONS were tasked for recon to fill in the gaps, without ANY training or equipment Why don't you name us ONE Heavy Bomber Squadron that was tasked for -FRONT LINE RECON- that wasn't relieved as SOON as an Amphibian Squadron was available? ... Tell us about HOW MANY Catalina Squadrons were HELD IN RESERVE (hint: 0) as they weren't DESPERATELY NEEDED at the front. EXPLAIN why all the foriegn orders for the Catalina's were CANCELLED immediately upon commencement of hostilities? The Field Based Recon Bomber squadrons that existed were stationed in the Aleutians or at Mainland Costal Bases and were staffed by misfits not judged capable of Strat Bombing Ops and Returned Aircrews finishing out their enlistments ... MOSTLY they were on ASW patrol ... ... PBY squadrons were staffed by the TOP OF THE CLASS Multi Engine Pilots and went to special schooling for observation dutys ... It's HISTORY and EASILY VERIFIABLE ... learn how to read a book and stop googling every weirdo web site on the net.

Once again an entire post of your own ideals. You're the one spouting off nonsense and are once again short on facts. I didn't go there--again. You did. What squadrons are you talking about? When and where did they serve or not? What info do you have suggesting insufficient training to fly over a patch of the ocean and look downwards for a ship shaped object? Were these "top of the class" pilots in the PBY squadrons there to fly the planes or look for the ships? I'm sure they'd have crew for that. What specialized equipment did they have? Come on bud. Post a link to back up one thing you've said or begone already.

Your own ideals. Yukyuk.

[Drano]

More reliable than anything you've quoted to date. 

Psst. EVZ. the seaplanes kicked arse in that one. Sayin.

[Brownien]

Obvously no one here undeerstands the concepts of my initial wish. it has NOTHING to do with recon aircraft. PERIOD. if u feel the need to huss and fuss about any spotter aircraft related to the PBY then go hijack one of those threads. thank you. >>cout:rage mode off. /endl;
  

[Wmaker]

A6M2-N Rufe would be the easiest way to add the first sea plane to AH.

[Ack-Ack]

No ... I'm not wrong ... YES, Early in the war, regular BOMBER SQUADONS were tasked for recon to fill in the gaps, without ANY training or equipment Why don't you name us ONE Heavy Bomber Squadron that was tasked for -FRONT LINE RECON- that wasn't relieved as SOON as an Amphibian Squadron was available? ... Tell us about HOW MANY Catalina Squadrons were HELD IN RESERVE (hint: 0) as they weren't DESPERATELY NEEDED at the front. EXPLAIN why all the foriegn orders for the Catalina's were CANCELLED immediately upon commencement of hostilities? The Field Based Recon Bomber squadrons that existed were stationed in the Aleutians or at Mainland Costal Bases and were staffed by misfits not judged capable of Strat Bombing Ops and Returned Aircrews finishing out their enlistments ... MOSTLY they were on ASW patrol ... ... PBY squadrons were staffed by the TOP OF THE CLASS Multi Engine Pilots and went to special schooling for observation dutys ... It's HISTORY and EASILY VERIFIABLE ... learn how to read a book and stop googling every weirdo web site on the net.

I bet you didn't know that we already have the primary patrol plane used by the USN/USMC for anti-shipping/submarine patrols in Aces High and *hint* it's a bomber. 

You are partially correct in that for the USAAF, the use of bombers for patrol missions became a secondary role because in 1943, by agreement with the USN, the USN took over all anti-shipping/submarine patrol duties and USAAF Anti-Submarine Command (responsible for anti-shipping/submarine and maritime patrolling) was disbanded.  It was a rather silly agreement born out of service rivalry, the USAAF agreed to get out of the maritime patrol business and stop objections of the USN operating heavy bombers in exchange for the Navy dropping the Sea Ranger program and instead use the facilities at the Renton factory to B-29 production.  The USN agreed and got the B-24s, B-25s, A-20s, and the B-34/B-37 Venturas that the USAAF had used in their anti-maritime units.  The USAAF B-24Ds that were given to the USN already were already ASV radar equipped and all factory production models afterwards were similarly equipped.

USN operated 977 PB4Y-1s throughout the entire war and was the primary anti-maritime/patrol aircraft for both the USN and USMC.  You should read the book, "We Flew Alone", which is the history of the USN PB4Y-1s in the Pacific during WW2.

ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

A6M2-N Rufe would be the easiest way to add the first sea plane to AH.

It would also probably be the best choice as it would actually be useful for port defense as opposed to the other float planes/flying boats others have suggested.

ack-ack

[Karnak]

A6M2-N Rufe would be the easiest way to add the first sea plane to AH.

The N1K1 Kyufu 'Rex' would also be an option as it had some bits in common with the N1K2-J, though far less than the A6M2-N had with the A6M2.  The N1K1's advantage is that it would be far more capable than the A6M2-N.