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Offline Wmaker

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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #150 on: August 04, 2012, 06:29:29 AM »
All one needs to do is take 5 second look at the specs of Ki-84 and Ki-100 and it's very clear why the Ki-84 is the better fighter assuming both are in good working order. What is true that the Ki-100's engine was far less tempremental though. Ki-84 wich engine is running rough and doesn't deliver the power it's supposed would make it a far worse fighter than Ki-100 and that often was the case. In a flight simulator, there's no doubt that Ki-84 is better.
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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #151 on: August 04, 2012, 08:04:20 AM »
Yeah, but it's no Brewster!

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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #152 on: August 04, 2012, 08:09:18 AM »
Yeh, it definately isn't. Ki-84 dominates Brewster at will. In a dueling setting it simply can climb on top of a Brewster and hammer it lower and lower and in the end Brewster doesn't have the E for the needed evasive and gets shot down.
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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #153 on: August 04, 2012, 08:40:28 AM »
I just wait for them to land and vulch them.

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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #154 on: August 05, 2012, 10:08:24 AM »

Gaston, one of the drawbacks of being completely devoid of objectivity, is that you are unable to be critical and deduce the motivations and reasons for certain reports & data. The Ki-100 was a stop gap, presented subjectively as a new and devastating aircraft to give hope and morale to a poorly trained and desperate airforce.

Regarding flight performance think about it logically, how could a Ki-100 outperform a Ki-84? By the way, one Hellcat and one Ki-100 in that engagement were lost when they collided.

Would still be a nice and logical addition to the game however.



   I guess it is a testament to your objectivity (and of that of others here) that a reference is made to some air battle that has nothing to do with anything I said OR the Ki-84... :rolleyes:

   You'll have to forgive me: I didn't realize the high level of discussion I was dealing with here...

   Yes OK... Let's follow your logic further: The Japanese denigrated in that test their own Ki-84, which in service must have outnumbered the Ki-100 by about ten to one, and which was still in high priority development and high level production (being after all less than a year past its very first combat of around summer of '44, maybe even late Summer if I recall), and decided, just like that you know, to diss a major production program in the interest of a hasty lash-up that would likely never see the same numbers produced?

   And they produced an entirely fake test that would raise morale by saying their most advanced and most numerous fighter was, comparatively to an improvised fighter, a piece of junk?

   Did I get all the ins and outs of your pathetic argument, or did I miss anything?

   By the way, concerning predicting how well these things do in turns (Gosh! How can you think the Ki-100 is a better fighter than the Ki-84? Good grief!) and my shocking theory that the P-47 out-turns the Me-109G at low speed sustained turns (as the 190A does the Spit), did you know nobody knows what the actual wingloading of these things is? I checked...

   It's called a wing strain gauge: Don't worry if you have never heard of it, there's a reason for that... It measures precisely the bending of the wings by running a current on a piece of metal tape attached to the spars in an x pattern (there are probably different methods)...

   It's been used since the 1930s, but there is one important problem...

   I ask experts for results, and I ask and I ask, and all I get are static 1940s wing bending tests on the ground...

   It seems pretty clear that until the jet age came along and swept prop fighters away, nobody tested the amount of actual wing bending a prop fighter gets while in a sustained turn in actual flight!

   If in-flight WWII fighter wing strain gauge turning tests exist I would love to hear about them... Dive pull-out tests don't count...

   Sorry for the disgression. Let's go back to how amazing the Ki-84 was compared to a Ki-100... 'Cause we know better than the actual pilots you know... The arguments developped here proved it... :D

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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #155 on: August 05, 2012, 11:26:14 AM »
190 out turns the Spit at low speeds.....  :rofl

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Wait, you do!  "did you know nobody knows what the actual wingloading of these things is? I checked."  You might want to check again....

(BTW, Ki-84 was designed to higher strength factors than any other Japanese fighter.  Ki-100 is just a Ki-61-II with a radial engine, same type as on the G4M as I recall, bolted on it due to the loss of the inline engine production.)
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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #156 on: August 05, 2012, 11:56:18 AM »
190A having a better sustained turn than the Spit....what universe?

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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #157 on: August 05, 2012, 12:08:23 PM »
Here we go again ...  :lol
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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #158 on: August 06, 2012, 12:46:51 PM »
damn learn something new everyday  :aok

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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #159 on: August 06, 2012, 07:48:26 PM »
this thread is doing a great nose dive. . .

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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #160 on: August 06, 2012, 10:40:03 PM »
this thread is doing a great nose dive. . .
Really? Nah I was looking forward to the education
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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #161 on: August 06, 2012, 11:14:07 PM »
This convo went from fun and light hearted to who has the biggest (censor) again... yet another thread out the window to useless bickering :rolleyes:


To add to the senselessness! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gClR4sZ-Xtw
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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #162 on: August 06, 2012, 11:46:59 PM »
Really? Nah I was looking forward to the education

You'll find nothing of any educational value in any of Gaston's posts.

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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #163 on: August 07, 2012, 02:26:17 AM »
...my shocking theory that the P-47 out-turns the Me-109G at low speed sustained turns (as the 190A does the Spit)...

   Gaston



I agree with you: at very low speed, on the ground, while taxiing.
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Re: KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?
« Reply #164 on: August 07, 2012, 05:16:07 AM »
You'll find nothing of any educational value in any of Gaston's posts.

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