KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?

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The Ki-84 was further 'dissed' today by another P-38 pilot who explained by way of PM (that was initially addressed FU, but I assume that was a typo and he meant NR), that it was an 'dweeb plane' and that's all I could fly. I am now seeing a tenuous pattern emerging but can't quite piece it together yet. 

 

[Gaston]

This report has been discredited Gaston, much as I love the Ki-100 also.

  Discredited? Can you explain to us how and by whom?

  By peope with a LOT more first-hand experience I'll bet...

  Or do you mean the "Aeroplane" quote has been made up by a creative writer?

  Or maybe it must simply be that the Japanese front-line pilots don't know how to best fly their own aircrafts (Just like P-47Ds out-turning at low speeds Me-109Gs 600 times out of 600 must be entirely because the US pilots are better  )...

  Please clarify so that we can see what it takes for this report to be "discredited": I breathlessly await...

  Gaston

[Krusty]

Gaston, that report has been widely discredited, along with a number of other common false tales. Like the "killed 16 hellcats in its first mission!" tale that keeps going around.

[Ack-Ack]

Gaston, that report has been widely discredited, along with a number of other common false tales. Like the "killed 16 hellcats in its first mission!" tale that keeps going around.

Not to mention that every post Gaston has made on this BBS, the Ubi/IL2 forums and other various WW2 warbirds forums have been discredited.

ack-ack

[Mitsu]

Ki-100 Ki-44 Ki-43 Ki-45...

[Butcher]

I seen enough fairy tales, such as the Ki-100 shooting down 15 hellcats on its first sortie. Kind of hard to believe since the unit did not have any Aces at the time, After action reports from the Navy showed only 2 Ki-100s were shot down and 2 Hellcats.

Fairy tale reported ki-100s shot down 15 hellcats without a loss.

[nrshida]

  Discredited? Can you explain to us how and by whom?

  By peope with a LOT more first-hand experience I'll bet...

  Or do you mean the "Aeroplane" quote has been made up by a creative writer?

  Or maybe it must simply be that the Japanese front-line pilots don't know how to best fly their own aircrafts (Just like P-47Ds out-turning at low speeds Me-109Gs 600 times out of 600 must be entirely because the US pilots are better  )...

  Please clarify so that we can see what it takes for this report to be "discredited": I breathlessly await...

  Gaston

Gaston, one of the drawbacks of being completely devoid of objectivity, is that you are unable to be critical and deduce the motivations and reasons for certain reports & data. The Ki-100 was a stop gap, presented subjectively as a new and devastating aircraft to give hope and morale to a poorly trained and desperate airforce.

Regarding flight performance think about it logically, how could a Ki-100 outperform a Ki-84? By the way, one Hellcat and one Ki-100 in that engagement were lost when they collided.

Would still be a nice and logical addition to the game however.

[Butcher]

By the way, one Hellcat and one Ki-100 in that engagement were lost when they collided.

ZING you are correct, sorry I knew the number was low but couldn't remember just what happened.

[Karnak]

By Japanese numbers the Ki-84 is both faster and better climbing than the Ki-100 was.  The idea that a single Ki-100 could dictate the fight to two faster, better climbing fighters, even if they were less maneuverable, flies in the face of air combat tactics.  The faster airplane can always dictate the fight if it chooses to do so.

[Mitsu]

Some Japanese pilots said the Ki-100 was like Ki-43-III in its performance.
It's completely slower than Ki-84, but it has good climb, acceleration, and it's easy to fly.
Also it's still faster than Ki-43-III, and it has 2 20mm cannon with 200 (or 250) rounds.

Its introduction was too late though.
It should have come out in 1943.

[Tracerfi]

KI-84 was the FASTEST Plane in the Japanese Arsenal 

[Slade]

KI-84 was the FASTEST Plane in the Japanese Arsenal

Mitsubishi J2M Raiden

Performance
Maximum speed: 612 km/h (332 kn, 382 mph)
Range: 560 km (302 nmi, 348 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,250 m (36,910 ft)
Rate of climb: 1,170 m/min (3,838 ft/min)
Wing loading: 174 kg/m² (35 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.39 kW/kg (0.24 hp/lb)

[Tracerfi]

According to who?

History

[Karnak]

Mitsubishi J2M Raiden

Performance
Maximum speed: 612 km/h (332 kn, 382 mph)
Range: 560 km (302 nmi, 348 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,250 m (36,910 ft)
Rate of climb: 1,170 m/min (3,838 ft/min)
Wing loading: 174 kg/m² (35 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.39 kW/kg (0.24 hp/lb)

That is the second fastest.  The Ki-84 is faster than that.

[HighTone]

Mitsubishi J2M Raiden

Performance
Maximum speed: 612 km/h (332 kn, 382 mph)
Range: 560 km (302 nmi, 348 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,250 m (36,910 ft)
Rate of climb: 1,170 m/min (3,838 ft/min)
Wing loading: 174 kg/m² (35 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.39 kW/kg (0.24 hp/lb)

I wish....too bad we won't see any more Japanese planes until the launch of Aces High 4. By then the Allies should be well represented. I know... sour grapes.