School Sucks

[Shuffler]

umm So you were wanting to hug a guy in tight jeans and were not allowed even though you threatened him with a knife.

At your age.... believe me..... the folks you think are stupid is just not so. When you mature and gain in intellegence you'll understand that most of them were right.

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I grossed $30k, netted about $22k in 12 days once shooting action shots at a Cal Ripken 12year Old Boys Baseball World Series in Aberdeen one summer a few years ago.

thats cuz you are one of the cool kids

[PFactorDave]

thats cuz you are one of the cool kids

 

[eagl]

eagl you ever make $500+ an hour?

$32,000 in 12 weeks?

just wondering.....you know with your insults and all,   I figure you must be this oh so great person who thinks he is better then anyone else, and puts much stock in how much one "makes"......

I made $250 in about 35 minutes of tattooing.....so that must make me a better person and worthy right 


you want to give advice,  its a good idea not to sound like a complete dick when you do it.

Yea, I've made more than that.  A lot more.  Some of my peers (not military) make enough more that the numbers you mention are little more than weekend mad money.

If you feel insulted when I state the obvious, if you feel insulted when reality is presented to you, if the shoe fits...

And if the shoe doesn't fit, if you are that one guy who figured out how to become a 1%-er in a niche industry after throwing away a free education, then congratulations.  As a course of action for a young person however, it's pretty obviously a low-probability outcome and only a total fool would recommend deliberately acting like a fool in school on the hopes that they'll be that one guy who can make it big without the benefit of the free education offered them.

But seriously... Are you REALLY insulted by me pointing out that acting like a fool for the 6 years a young adult is trapped in public school is a reasonable thing to do because you are the one guy who didn't get badly burned by that?  If so, you're the guy deceiving yourself coming up with excuses for bad decisions.

Imagine this - take your skills and talent, and back them up with an MBA from any decent university.  You could quintuple your take-home income overnight while working fewer hours (or spending more time doing the part of your job you love and hiring some new guy to do the stuff you don't enjoy).  It isn't hard, it just takes the courage to gut it out prying information out of those stupid teachers to make something good out of an unpleasant period of time.

[uptown]

I'm not tall enough for the MBA or I'd sign up in a heartbeat!

[curry1]

I was usually in the advanced classes so nobody really messed with the teachers, since they actually taught us stuff and messing with them in any destructive manner would earn us a transfer into the classes with the dumb disruptive idiot kids.  Fate worse than death.  I played the game pretty straight, although me and my classmates came up with some creative pranks.  Nothing too dangerous and nothing destructive, but some were pretty funny and we tried to make sure the teacher would give us props for creativity even if they had to help us clean up the mess.  

My reward for suppressing the urge to throw food in class like a moron was going to one of the most selective colleges in the nation where I got paid to do some really cool things like fly airplanes and shoot guns, becoming a fighter pilot, flying the F-15E for 5 years and getting to fly hot military trainers for another 11 yrs.  Lots of other cool things over the last 22 years, and the cash salary is decent too.  And it only cost me 6 years of paying attention in class, not turning myself into a retard by doing drugs, and not being disrespectful to my classmates or teachers.  Pretty good payoff I think, and it's an outcome that is achieveable by a whole lot of people who choose to act the fool instead, losing out on a lifetime of coolness.

And yea we even listened to the one or two teachers who were clueless, because they knew what was on the test.  So as a class we came up with enough innocent questions to pretty much dig the test contents out of them without actually cheating.  That was more fun than a food fight and detention, with the added bonus that we could make jokes about the stupids in the slow class who thought throwing trash in class was fun.  Monkeys and mental midgets think throwing poo is fun...  I decided I wasn't going to be a monkey pretty early on and haven't had any opportunity to regret that decision.

And BTW, school doesn't "suck"...  Wasting your time in school sucks, and that's a choice the student makes not the fault of the school or teachers.  School is a means to an end, nothing more.  You gotta USE the school since you're going to be stuck there anyhow, and you might as well get something out of it.  If you're happy living a mediocre life doing stuff that anyone can do, then yea be like everyone else and act like an idiot in school instead of spending every second while you're imprisoned in school trying to pry more knowledge out of those brainless teachers.  Let the monkeys have their fun throwing food, while you learn something other than how much weed you can smoke and still remember what room your class is in.

You can spend a bit of effort getting *something* useful out of the time you spend there, or as the commerical says, you can do the other thing.  Like all the other idiots who can't spell and live their life trying to come up with reasons why they don't need an education, talking big about why educated people are somehow missing out on the good things in life, hoping you can pay the rent because you have no idea what happened to your paycheck, and wondering why the geeky kid ended up rich with a hot wife (who is a doctor) and 2500 hrs of fast jet, turbine, and combat time before he was 40.

You WILL sleep in the bed you make, no question about it.  Are you happy with the prospect of working harder than I do for half the payoff, just because it's cool to throw pop tarts in class and justify an active attempt to learn nothing by saying the teacher is clueless and your failure to learn *something* is the fault of the school?  6 years.  6 years of effort for a lifetime of payoff.

That is the truth.  Or at least the path that seems to be the most logical and without risk.

One thing I noticed early on as well is even if the teachers are clueless.  They stand between where I am and what I can become.  It doesn't matter if they don't know what they are talking about or don't care about teaching.  Sometimes you just have to sit there and smile and do the BS work.  Just to get the meaningless "A" in the class even if you learn nothing.  Unfortunately the politics of the system require that.  It doesn't test for knowledge it tests for grades.  Sometimes they are equivalent.  Sometimes they aren't.

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Yea, I've made more than that.  A lot more.  Some of my peers (not military) make enough more that the numbers you mention are little more than weekend mad money.

If you feel insulted when I state the obvious, if you feel insulted when reality is presented to you, if the shoe fits...

And if the shoe doesn't fit, if you are that one guy who figured out how to become a 1%-er in a niche industry after throwing away a free education, then congratulations.  As a course of action for a young person however, it's pretty obviously a low-probability outcome and only a total fool would recommend deliberately acting like a fool in school on the hopes that they'll be that one guy who can make it big without the benefit of the free education offered them.

But seriously... Are you REALLY insulted by me pointing out that acting like a fool for the 6 years a young adult is trapped in public school is a reasonable thing to do because you are the one guy who didn't get badly burned by that?  If so, you're the guy deceiving yourself coming up with excuses for bad decisions.

Imagine this - take your skills and talent, and back them up with an MBA from any decent university.  You could quintuple your take-home income overnight while working fewer hours (or spending more time doing the part of your job you love and hiring some new guy to do the stuff you don't enjoy).  It isn't hard, it just takes the courage to gut it out prying information out of those stupid teachers to make something good out of an unpleasant period of time.

its not that I didn't agree with you, I push my kids to get an education...very much so...it was your presentation that sucked...

I have never and would never encourage someone to act the way I did, most often there are reasons behind someone actions,

I got straight F's in school..(not because I could not do the work)....yet all my kids are basically A=B students, except one who does not apply herself.


and that kind of money for someone like me is a whole lot. considering my dad as a carpenter made about 45  a year, I've made that in 3 months.

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although thinking about it, it is only because of how I can draw that allowed me to even make that....

and I can only draw the way I do because of all the jail time....

one reason why I believe in fate, and that things happen for a reason.

[eagl]

That is the truth.  Or the truth that seems to be the most logical and without risk.

One thing I noticed early on as well is even if the teachers are clueless.  They stand between where I am and what I can become.  It doesn't matter if they don't know what they are talking about or don't care about teaching.  Sometimes you just have to sit there and smile and do the BS work.  Just to get the meaningless "A" in the class even if you learn nothing.  Unfortunately the politics of the system require that.  It doesn't test for knowledge it tests for grades.  Sometimes they are equivalent.  Sometimes they aren't.

That's an important lesson...  Play the game for a while and realize that while school is "your life" while you're there, it will end eventually and it is just a means to an end.  The high Pk shot is to learn what you can, and do whatever is necessary to get good enough grades that you aren't forever blocked from doing whatever you want to do once you are permitted to make decisions on what to do with your life.

Way too many kids complete high school and all of a sudden realize that while nobody is telling them what to do anymore, they are faced with a bunch of people who are now telling them that they can't do certain things because of one reason or another.  There are plenty of reasons why people can't do something, but bad grades in high school is just giving people an excuse to keep you down and out.  Don't give them that excuse to exclude you, don't let that door close because it was fun messing around with the handicapped teacher.  6 years is a long time to be trapped in school but the NEXT 70-80 years is an even longer time to be told you don't qualify for something or aren't eligible for a good deal, because you acted the fool in school.

That's where the percentages are, and it's a game.  It's a means to an end.  Do whatever it takes to get the grades to qualify you to do whatever it is you want to do.  If you don't know what you want to do yet, then ensure you don't accidentally make yourself ineligible for whatever it is you decide to do later on.  That goes for grades, drugs, or whatever other crimes are cool at the time (at my HS it was stealing car stereos).  Some of that stuff simply makes you ineligible to do things.  If a HS student is ok with people telling them NO for the rest of their life, then ok great, we need people pushing brooms too and that's just fine for a lot of people.  Just don't get trapped into being a broom pusher for 50 years because it was fun to tease the teacher for a couple of years.

[eagl]

its not that I didn't agree with you, I push my kids to get an education...very much so...it was your presentation that sucked...

I wrote it that way on purpose to get the attention of the OP...  The thread was going the way of "hey I had fun being a dumba*^ in school and look how well I turned out".  Well, not really.  For every one person in these forums who had a good outcome from wasting their free education, there are about 5000 broom pushers who don't really understand what went wrong and who don't really know how to save their kids from the same fate.

I'm really glad you figured it out and saved your kids.  Some guys in your situation wouldn't have learned squat from their experiences and kept going downhill without ever thinking about it.

It's easy.  Just take the energy used to screw around in school and direct it towards playing the game for just a little while.  Pry that information and the grades from the teacher no matter how dumb the teacher is, no matter how disruptive the class gets.  Trade 6 years of school lockdown for 70 years of the good life, since those 6 years will be spent in school no matter what the student actually DOES while in there so they might as well get something out of it.

Yea I posted that way on purpose because the topic raised in the OP is kind of serious, and it gets "too late" pretty darn quickly.  I came THIS CLOSE to being too late myself...  I had zero focus my 10th grade year and got a 1.8 GPA.  Oops.  I got 3.8 - 4.0 in 11th and 12th grades while taking AP and college level courses, and scored in the top .5% in all the placement exams, lettered in 2 sports, and it was still amost all ruined by my 10th grade year.  I had to go to a community college for a full year to prove that I could handle college level courses, and even then it was almost too little too late.  I almost threw away every dream I ever had for my whole life, over one bad year in school, and I wasn't even a screwup.  It kills me to see people get anywhere close to the consequences I faced, especially if they make them deliberately.  I just didn't know how to study and had no motivation, even though I wasn't disruptive or a class clown.  I had to relearn and change everything I did in school to turn that around, and I made the decision myself, because nobody told me the truth about school.  That it is just a means to an end and an opportunity to ruthlessly exploit, nothing more.

Sorry if I insulted you.  The tone of the discussion really got to me because behind all the bravado I saw a lifetime of regret in the first dozen posts.

[Seanaldinho]

Every year on senior day everyone plays freeze tag in the hallways which results in no one going to class and standing around like a retard in the hallway lol.

My senior year we are gonna change it up and do ultimate frisbee between classes. 

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I wrote it that way on purpose to get the attention of the OP...  The thread was going the way of "hey I had fun being a dumba*^ in school and look how well I turned out".  Well, not really.  For every one person in these forums who had a good outcome from wasting their free education, there are about 5000 broom pushers who don't really understand what went wrong and who don't really know how to save their kids from the same fate.

I'm really glad you figured it out and saved your kids.  Some guys in your situation wouldn't have learned squat from their experiences and kept going downhill without ever thinking about it.

It's easy.  Just take the energy used to screw around in school and direct it towards playing the game for just a little while.  Pry that information and the grades from the teacher no matter how dumb the teacher is, no matter how disruptive the class gets.  Trade 6 years of school lockdown for 70 years of the good life, since those 6 years will be spent in school no matter what the student actually DOES while in there so they might as well get something out of it.

Yea I posted that way on purpose because the topic raised in the OP is kind of serious, and it gets "too late" pretty darn quickly.  I came THIS CLOSE to being too late myself...  I had zero focus my 10th grade year and got a 1.8 GPA.  Oops.  I got 3.8 - 4.0 in 11th and 12th grades while taking AP and college level courses, and scored in the top .5% in all the placement exams, lettered in 2 sports, and it was still amost all ruined by my 10th grade year.  I had to go to a community college for a full year to prove that I could handle college level courses, and even then it was almost too little too late.  I almost threw away every dream I ever had for my whole life, over one bad year in school, and I wasn't even a screwup.  It kills me to see people get anywhere close to the consequences I faced, especially if they make them deliberately.  I just didn't know how to study and had no motivation, even though I wasn't disruptive or a class clown.  I had to relearn and change everything I did in school to turn that around, and I made the decision myself, because nobody told me the truth about school.  That it is just a means to an end and an opportunity to ruthlessly exploit, nothing more.

Sorry if I insulted you.  The tone of the discussion really got to me because behind all the bravado I saw a lifetime of regret in the first dozen posts.

I understand....I left tattooing the public, because of the fad thing,(among other reasons) you get an 18 year old come in and want a tattoo on his neck, no way would I do that, I have turned away thousands of dollars specifically over that reason, or on their hands...

whats even worse is at least you can always get an education,(except in my case   I never signed for draft so cant ever get financial aid)  its never too late to start, that stupid arse tattoo on the neck is not going anywhere.

I should not have been insulted what you said was true.

[JOACH1M]

"quantity over quality"

I love school, yea It may be hard to bilieve I'm actually one of the more popular kids at school, but  I am lol and I couldn't ever imagine being anything not other then what I am.

[eagl]

I should not have been insulted what you said was true.

Well, you are right, even the truth can be presented in an insulting or degrading way.  I wasn't trying to target anyone, just blabbing because it is a touchy subject for me, and I get obnoxiously pedantic sometimes.  I hope I didn't get your blood pressure up too high

[Dago]

Short and simple school is getting worse and worse. My school bans hugging, doing so will result in 2 days of out of school suspension. Yet I bring a pocket knife to school, swing it around at some boy who has tighter jeans then my sister and I don't even get the angry eye by the teachers.

In fact the only person in my school that isn't a student who makes sense, is my bloody language arts teacher. He's a retired army dude with tattoos all over his body and he's the only intelligent person around. Now I consider that just sad. Every other adult either was lonely as a child or ate paint chips as a kid, and grew up with the mindset that if you loose your V-Card before age 18 your worthless.

I hate school, the only nice thing is that "nice" girls go their to make me feel happy.(very happy)

School bans friendship-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gFP_kprL6I

Now what do you think?(this is your time to make jokes about me since this is a school topic, they better be funny)

Quit whining until you have achieved something in life.  Life is harder than school, you will look back on it and will realize how good you had it.

[eagl]

Quit whining until you have achieved something in life.  Life is harder than school, you will look back on it and will realize how good you had it.

Sheesh, why couldn't you have posted that BEFORE I went nuclear?