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Offline Debrody

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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2012, 04:38:21 AM »
But the N1k still has a sustained turn rate and turn radius among the best in the game. With full flaps, significantly better than a Spit 16.
See also http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=n1k2j&p2=spit16
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2012, 05:09:23 AM »
And my question and wish is...

Why does N1K2 have 5 min WEP, but Ki-84 has only 1 min WEP with the same engine?
N1K2's engine, the NK9H's WEP is limited to 1 min from according N1K2's flight manual.

By the way, According to Bunzo Komine's report, IJAAF/IJNAF has removed a power limit of HA-45 and NK9H to fight against late war enemy fighters in 1944 December. From this, both engines could use WEP 10 min.

It's interesting.  :)

In the same kind of stuff, why the merlin engine in the P51 has double the WEP times than in a spitfire?
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2012, 06:42:47 AM »
In the same kind of stuff, why the merlin engine in the P51 has double the WEP times than in a spitfire?

It has? Last time I checked both had 5 minutes, only most German fighters and the LA's had 10  :headscratch:
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2012, 07:35:23 AM »
according to THE fph its 10mins in the P51 and 5Mins in the spitfire.
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2012, 08:48:03 AM »
P51 has 5 minutes.
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2012, 08:59:58 AM »
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2012, 09:13:42 AM »
WEP cycle in the AH Wiki: http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/WEP

ok then if that is still accurate only the recharge time differs, whatever the reason is  :headscratch:
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2012, 10:15:03 AM »
ok then if that is still accurate only the recharge time differs, whatever the reason is  :headscratch:
All Merlins in American aircraft recharge their WEP faster than Merlins in British aircraft.  No idea why.

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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2012, 05:08:43 PM »
All Merlins in American aircraft recharge their WEP faster than Merlins in British aircraft.  No idea why.

(Well, I am not sure where the P-40F falls in that list)

Do you just mean in-game or in RL? I have never noticed, as I only occasionally fly the P-51B when not in a Spitfire.
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2012, 05:26:31 PM »
Do you just mean in-game or in RL? I have never noticed, as I only occasionally fly the P-51B when not in a Spitfire.
In game.

In real life the Merlin had no "cooldown" time.
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2012, 10:23:41 PM »
The N1K2 should have 1 min WEP too? or Ki-84 should have 5 min WEP?

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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2012, 10:55:02 PM »
In game.

In real life the Merlin had no "cooldown" time.

Well there's a pretty good reason for that, however due to the damage of the engine - there was a time limit like every other aircraft.
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2012, 01:47:05 PM »
I would much rather see some extra variants of the Ki-84 added to the game. Which, emergency materials versions aside, would mean a slight increase in performance across the board and the gift of choice for those with good taste  :rock

The external differences are very very minor but a different interior is required for some of the variants. Perhaps during the next 3d vamp?

However, given how competitive the Ki-84 is in Aces High already, and given it is the pooiest production version fielded, it would generate more whines that the Spitfires do right now.  :old:
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2012, 04:52:49 PM »
Well there's a pretty good reason for that, however due to the damage of the engine - there was a time limit like every other aircraft.
Not really.  Slight increase in chance of failure.  Main problem was accelerated maintenance schedules.

I'm aware of a Spit V that ran at WEP for half an hour with no ill effects.  Granted, that may not be the normal expectation, but there certainly was not a magic "Go longer than 5 minutes and your engine blows up" result.


To be clear, I am not advocating a change in AH.  The 5 minute restriction is required or people would rampantly abuse engines with simple boost increase based WEP in a way that would have gotten them disciplined in reality.
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2012, 11:11:05 PM »
Honestly, how much more UBER does the ki84 need to be?





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