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Offline Butcher

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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2012, 12:03:40 PM »

Please do not speculate in the absence of data as it only serves to confuse the issue further. If you don't want the aircraft introduced to Aces High then please state that instead of further muddying the waters of an already difficult to navigate subject.

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Nobody is muddying anything, there needs to be raw proof it served in combat strength, honestly I want the Otsu added as any other Ki-84 driver - Problem is does it qualify?

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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2012, 01:46:25 PM »
Well I'm sorry to disappoint you Butcher, but there isn't any proof, and there isn't likely to be any more proof or evidence forthcoming as the years go by. Quite the opposite I should say. The production records were mostly destroyed and the aircraft lay broken and scattered all over the Pacific theatre, along with a lot of the personnel involved. We have to use deduction and reasonable assumption and extrapolation.

To whom do you need to prove it to and how much convincing do they need? The Imperial Army hardly commissioned Nakajima to make this up-armed version while they were still making the Ko only to have them do what? Serve as trainers? There are photographs of Otsu fielded next to Ko, in Sentai markings. And there aren't that many photographs of the Hayate in the first place compared to say the Spitfire.

The Otsu is nothing special, no experimental equipment, no remarkable engine or special features, just a slight armament upgrade and a tiny bit more power and less weight over the Aces High version of the Hayate and that's only because it was based on the Late Production Ko.

Does it qualify? I don't know because I have still heard no confirmation of HTC's conditions. I have pointed out twice previously that there is the opportunity to economically include three non-experimental production models of the Nakajima Hayate if the 3D model is ever revised. Whether there is the will to do so is another matter.









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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2012, 02:11:55 PM »
In my opinion, it faced B-29s and ground strafed Russian tank columns - if the METEOR was added to the vote count, then the Ki-84 Otsu should be given a chance to be added in game.
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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2012, 03:46:16 PM »
Didn't many of the japanese prototypes fly in combat.

I seem to remember instances where 1 or more planes were given to a skilled squadron for evaluation long before they were formally introduced.

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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2012, 04:00:18 PM »
Didn't many of the japanese prototypes fly in combat.

I seem to remember instances where 1 or more planes were given to a skilled squadron for evaluation long before they were formally introduced.

There's a fine line between Prototype and combat evaluation, for example the Japanese always gave a squadron to combat test planes before production even started, Ki-44 for example, I forget the Sentai who tested it, but it was evaluated in a combat criteria, but did not face much opposition, if I am correct it would of been around Java '42.

Combat evaluation came back in favor, although pilots didn't like the aircraft much - it went into production.
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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2012, 04:27:30 PM »
There's a fine line between Prototype and combat evaluation, for example the Japanese always gave a squadron to combat test planes before production even started, Ki-44 for example, I forget the Sentai who tested it, but it was evaluated in a combat criteria, but did not face much opposition, if I am correct it would of been around Java '42.

Combat evaluation came back in favor, although pilots didn't like the aircraft much - it went into production.


I believe that it was the 47th Dokuritsu Chutai that was the first one to do the combat trials with the Ki44, early '42 if I remember correctly.

Would love to have that plane as well.

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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2012, 07:35:42 PM »
Hmmm.......KI44 in the early war arena.....

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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2012, 11:25:01 PM »
Ki-44 with telescopic sights... :D

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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2012, 12:21:14 AM »
I'd be very interested in adding the Ki-44, something funny it doesn't share anything like other Japanese Planes, it was built as an interceptor with a climb rate and decent armament and quite a bit faster then other Japanese planes (375 topped out).
Only bad part was having only 750 or so rounds of the 4x 12.7mms - seems a rather weak ammo count, but then again it brings back the old "get extremely close and don't miss" theory.


I know quite a few sentai's flew them, eventually phased out for Ki-84s - but it would make a great midwar bird :)

What about adding the J2M? 4 cannon bird, pure interceptor used to combat B-29s although it couldn't do much against B-29s due to the extreme alt.

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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2012, 08:50:56 AM »
I would like to see both the Ki-44 and J2M3 or J2M5.

Ki-44 could also have the 40mm recoilless rifles as an option.  They had absolutely horrid muzzle velocity, but if you managed to hit a bomber with it....
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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2012, 10:31:07 PM »
I would like to see both the Ki-44 and J2M3 or J2M5.

Ki-44 could also have the 40mm recoilless rifles as an option.  They had absolutely horrid muzzle velocity, but if you managed to hit a bomber with it....

It would be fun, but only 9 rounds per each gun!

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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2012, 12:39:49 PM »

What about adding the J2M? 4 cannon bird, pure interceptor used to combat B-29s although it couldn't do much against B-29s due to the extreme alt.



Which is weird considering how many B-29 raids were low altitude...

But did they only switch to low-alt raids after airborne resistance was pretty much over?
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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2012, 02:18:39 PM »
Which is weird considering how many B-29 raids were low altitude...

But did they only switch to low-alt raids after airborne resistance was pretty much over?


The switch to low level bombing came after LeMay took over and the main reason was the inaccuracy of high level bombing runs and other problems due to the Jet Stream.

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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2012, 08:04:15 AM »
Especially the ki-44, thats my personal favourite.

Mine aswell.

Would be a great to have a new version release where both Ki-43 variants and Ki-44-II would be added simultaniously.

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Re: More Japanese planes
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2012, 07:35:20 AM »
Great plane.....been flying it for years.