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Offline auscar

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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2012, 12:06:43 AM »
Generally speaking if you are going for any shot on the front 180 degrees -ish of a plane you are putting yourself at a disadvantage for the next turn or two because you have to hold your nose on the nme for so long.

If you are going for those shots you have to make it count or else you are in trouble. I have no problem with taking the shot especially with better turning nme (which is just about everythig in a Tiffie) but I know that if I miss I'm putting myself at a bigger disadvatage.

Not right or wrong just choosing options and living with the consequences
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2012, 12:17:49 AM »
It's more fun not to is the reason not to do it. Well worked kill >> cheap ho kill.
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2012, 12:22:45 AM »
Those who Ho are showing at least poor sportsmanship and a lack of skill. I consider it "gaming the game".
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2012, 12:26:26 AM »
I prefer to HO as it takes all the manoeuvring stuff out of the equation.

Barring a lot of radiator hits in my Tiffie it's a pretty succesful tactic.
9+ years and you consider that a good tactic?

HOing puts the person that initiates the HO in a position to get face blasted aswell. Which in my opinion is dumb...why would I let someone get a free shot at me?
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2012, 12:42:43 AM »
I took a break for a while, does that make it better? :)
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2012, 12:43:55 AM »
And as I said here

Not right or wrong just choosing options and living with the consequences
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« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2012, 01:02:52 AM »

I don't understand why a HO upsets so many


Its lazy and pointless, it upsets the guy who doesn't ho, I used to get this in WW1 a lot I would ask them to stop it and when they didn't I hoed them better from a much longer distance after dying 2 or 3 times they voluntarily agreed that the hoing had to stop!  :D


Offline NikonGuy

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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2012, 02:15:37 AM »
This whole discussion is pointless unless everyone plays by the same rules.

Like I said earlier, last night I was up against 5 cons, 4 of them trying to HO me .. thats a very different fight from 1v1.  At least I took two of them with me before getting my face and tail shot off at the same time lol ...
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2012, 02:19:00 AM »
Those who Ho are showing at least poor sportsmanship and a lack of skill. I consider it "gaming the game".

Those who whine in game about getting HO'd are showing at least poor sportsmanship. In a game thats kill or be killed, im going to do anything in my power to kill you before you kill me, HO included.

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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2012, 02:20:12 AM »
I used to try to avoid HO's but found I get hit all too often so I may as well get in there with half a chance and hope my guns hit him first

Then you just haven't learned how to avoid a HO.
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2012, 02:21:24 AM »
I'm not a very good pilot, but even I know enough that, when I'm fighting multiple cons trying to HO me, the last thing I want to do is go nose to nose with any of them

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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2012, 02:35:27 AM »
I tried everything to avoid but in the end I got hit .. your right HO in a situation like that is not ideal but when trying to out turn the guy behind you see another coming straight at you .. what do you do.

As far as avoiding HO's .. there is no 100% sure bet that they won't hit you when you try to evade them .. depends on the circumstances I guess :P
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2012, 03:01:56 AM »
If I am 1 v 1 against a good stick I wont HO but when I am getting ganged by five F4U's like last night and four of them are HO'ing and when I HO back the fifth, he has a cry and squeakes for 20 mins it sorta gets a little ridiculous.
I can accept this.
BUT!!!
If its an 1v1, 2v2, 5v5 or basically an equal situation, if you fire head on, you admit that you had absolutely no other chance to outmaneuver you opponent, let it be a TnB (yummy), energy fight (hmmm) or BnZ (boooo). Ergo you are way inferior to him. If there is no pride stuck in you, aye, go, ho n run.
As for it was a R/L move... go get some more exuses for being inpotent to pull any acm.

Btw NG, last time i met your squad, two were in tiffies and ShtLanda in a spit14 against my deck g6. They were playing the hoey-runney game, heck i hoed back after the 15th pass and got the two tiffies but got radiator and fuel tank hit. Could manage to ditch tho. Should have seen that jelling what a little girl i am and how i got owned. Also luved whe i was turning with 3 spit9s for a while, got one, he reupped, got another in the 2v1, he reupped, and this (otherwise fun) stuff was going on til you called the pony to ho me down. Aye i was mad, should i apologize? Whatever... thats what i think about your "only ho when in a totally hopeless position"

Please change this couse i liked you so much better in the past when you were all about the 1v1.
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Offline Threeup

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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2012, 03:13:58 AM »
I like the inverted HO – you can see the shells running down the fuselage as you go past. Then the messages begin. Never a <S> strangely enough.

I never seek a HO as an opening move. I prefer to have a bit of lateral separation during a merge as it allows some flexibility and a better opportunity for escape if you need to. But most folk just have to drift over to a pure nose to nose merge for whatever reason. Then I’ll fire ……just because.
Of course, Typhies, C-Hogs and Mossies make the HO a redundant and positively dangerous move. I’m stupid, but not completely mad.

Anyway – Spit flying manual clearly states, and I quote;

“ The Ho ain’t a No-No. The Ho is a Go, either fast or Slow. Always show your foe the Ho. Nowhere to go, try the Ho. More cons than you know, try the Ho. Want to put on a show, try the Ho. Larry, Mo and Curly Joe always went the Ho.”

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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2012, 03:47:51 AM »

Anyway – Spit flying manual clearly states, and I quote;

“ The Ho ain’t a No-No. The Ho is a Go, either fast or Slow. Always show your foe the Ho. Nowhere to go, try the Ho. More cons than you know, try the Ho. Want to put on a show, try the Ho. Larry, Mo and Curly Joe always went the Ho.”

There’s more, but I would need a big whiteboard and Microsoft Power Point.

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