It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.

[icepac]

I'm curious how one will set convergence in the 410.

In the 110g, the mg151/20 has the same trajectory as the mk108.

The mk103 and the 20mms will take a little more thinking.

I think the 6x mg151/20 loadout would be awesome.

[PR3D4TOR]

8x mg151/20 if we also get the gondola...  

[titanic3]

Twin engined version of the Jug?

[PR3D4TOR]

More like a German version of the Invader with eight guns in the nose... only bigger guns... much bigger! 

[Krusty]

I'm curious how one will set convergence in the 410.

In the 110g, the mg151/20 has the same trajectory as the mk108.

That's just not true. The Mk108s have their own trajectory and balistics. They drop a LOT faster and scatter in a cone of dispersion much wider than the 20mm rounds.

As for the convergence, I believe it's "fixed" horizontally -- much like the P-38s guns -- but that you will be able to adjust for drop so that you still hit your gunsight's crosshairs at the proper distance. That is how other planes in this game work and I see no reason the 410 would be different.

[Krusty]

One thing about the Me410 is that the cockpit glass extends way down the nose. That, coupled with the firepower should make it the best deflection shooter in the game. That glass will make my favourite "turn below their nose" anti-HO maneuver a bit riskier too.

Actually, I noticed that... but only after I already reported several shape errors on the current screenshots. I didn't want to seem like I was pestering/nitpicking, so I didn't comment about it. I also can't fully see that area on the one screenshot that shows that gun loadout because of the muzzle flashes. Maybe they already did this?

On the standard plane you get that clear panel. On 2-guns-in-bomb-bay setups you still can see it. However for the 4-gun setups they almost always covered it with a metal panel because the massive amounts of flash distracted and/or blinded the pilot slightly.

Seen as such:


You see some BK5s with it, and some without. Same for the Mk103 setup. However the 4x20mm setup in the bomb bay is almost always seen with the panel in place. [edit: Let's make that in the handful of photos that show this setup, ALL have the panel in place -- there may have been some without it, but all the photo evidence shows it installed.] We know HTC can do that becuase they've done something similar on the B-25c. It would not totally ruin the forward visibility, just some of the downward angle. Still, it would be a nice touch to see.

[bustr]

Krusty,

Don't scare them yet with the facts. The MK108 and MK103 round suffers the same dispersion and right hand wind drift but at different rates. Why? Becasue it's the exact same round traveling at two different initial velocities with the same twist rate. The MK103 carries relatively flat 300m farther than the MK108 before it slows down enough to mirror the MK108's drop from 250m and beyond.

I was wondering about the the nose panels also and which versions blanked them. I think it was armor plate to protect the pilot.

Hey can we get crew cheifs like the on in the picture?

[Krusty]

It wasn't armor plate, it was just a cover panel. The protection would be built into the part that the panel covered (i.e. the clear panel was bullet resistant).

The 103 and 108 may have had a similar projectile size, but they were nothing alike. Not in ballistics, not in trajectory, not in accuracy. The barrel on the 103 was very short, and on any gun shorter barrels mean less accuracy. Just look at snub-nose revolvers as compared to 4", or 6" revolvers. The slower travel time also means the round has more time to drift. Since the 103 gets to the target that much faster, its got less chance of being a mile off like the 108 in-game is.

[Rich52]

More like a German version of the Invader with eight guns in the nose... only bigger guns... much bigger! 

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Some similarities but I'd say the A-26 was much more designed as a bomber/attacker. It was much heavier and carried a much bigger ordinance load. I know there were night fighter variants but at the time it finnaly hit the runways was the nightfighter variant really needed? Actually none of the variants were really needed cause the Allies had such air supremacy by then.

I'd call the 410 as a more "jack of all trades". It should be an interesting addition to the game.

[PR3D4TOR]

Yes the A-26 was an Attacker, and I've drooled over it at airshows since childhood.  


Krusty, the length of the barrel does not directly affect accuracy. A short barrel is usually more accurate than a long barrel. As long as the muzzle velocity is the same a short barrel would be preferable. Long barrels suffer from harmonics as vibrational impulses from the cartridge blast are transmitted to the barrel in various magnitudes. A shorter barrel of the same diameter will also have less amplitude to its arc of movement (if any). A few years back Tony Williams described the MK 108 as one of the most accurate WWII aero-guns.

[Shuffler]

Yes the A-26 was an Attacker, and I've drooled over it at airshows since childhood.  


Krusty, the length of the barrel does not directly affect accuracy. A short barrel is usually more accurate than a long barrel. As long as the muzzle velocity is the same a short barrel would be preferable. Long barrels suffer from harmonics as vibrational impulses from the cartridge blast are transmitted to the barrel in various magnitudes. A shorter barrel of the same diameter will also have less amplitude to its arc of movement (if any). A few years back Tony Williams described the MK 108 as one of the most accurate WWII aero-guns.

I can relate to the issues of having a long barrel.

At times the harmonics cause it to emit a humming sound.

[PR3D4TOR]

Who's doing the humming? 

[PR3D4TOR]

Harmonics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6BpI3xD6h0

[bustr]

Krusty I've already looked at the Rechlin testing results.

It duplicats the dispersion of the MK108 500m\sec round from 200m on starting at 500m. The longer barrel and higher IntV only delays the time the round stays above 700m\sec with a smaller random dispersion cone and right hand spin drift factor. Auto Cannon rounds 20mm and up below 700m\sec begin dropping like rocks and loose the ability to stay stable in the face of air friction.

The dispersion cone though becomes the same as the MK108's of 200m at 500m. 7feet diameter.

If HTC instead models the Type N round which has a superior tapered ballistic ogive and slightly less explosive content due to the more tapered shape. Then the round fired from the MK103 should shoot flatter with much less dispersion to 700m. But, if he is modeling the most used and common Type I which was simpler to produce with the conical ogive and poor ballistic coeificent. When the vLoss passes out of 700m\s the dispersion will make it about as crappy as the MK108 for shooting at anything but bombers past 400m.

The only ballistic information I've ever found on the Type N round is it may have increased the IntV in the MK108 to 510m\sec. Additionaly there was discussion that this caused timing issues and jams so the MK108 was kept to the Type I ammo 500m\sec. Wonder if that was some of the teething issues with the Bf109-G6\U4 Mk108 gun jams and battery misfire issues?

Anyway at MA furballing distances twin MK103 will possibly be destabalising in their destructive capabilities.

[PR3D4TOR]

"Destabalising" ?