It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.

[Brooke]

In the upcoming scenario, I hope to see some of this:

[STEELE]

it's not 1 410 you should worry about in MA, it's 2 410s winging up that'll clear a furball post haste

[Mitsu]

WTG SUperfly and Cactus! 

Awesome 3D model 

[titanic3]

Sweet baby Jesus......I WANT IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....

[Raptor05121]

I imagine we will be getting both in one single release.
















...in two weeks

[Volron]

In the upcoming scenario, I hope to see some of this:

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You hope to see a 50mm hole in the R wing of your B-17???

[thndregg]

Something else for the 91st to shred through the meat grinder.  

[Wmaker]

Its firepower is a lot better and its bomb load should be very much better.  I see the Me410 getting a lot more lot more use because of its likely superiority over the Mossie as an attack aircraft.

One thing why I don't think Me410 will make a better field suppression aircraft than either the 110G or Mosquito is the lack of payload in bombs. I'm almost certain that as far as big bombs go it'll carry only 2x250kg while 110 carries 2x500 and Mossie has 4x500lbs. Don't know about others but personally I find the 50kgs rather useless for my purposes. Of course the 6x20mm setup of the 410 has quite a bit of "strafing lbs" in it but dropping bombs on the house clusters in the city kills a lot of buildings...

We'll see...

[Krusty]

However the Mk103 was capable of using tungsen core AP ammo that should be a threat to most tanks,possible exception the TigerII. It could carry up to 6 bombs in bombbay and is equiped with dive brakes.

The main 20mm guns carried 350 rds each and 250 in the others,up to 6x20mm guns.

The Mk103 with armor piercing rounds were on 110Cs or Hs129s, though. Dedicated anti-tank platforms. The Mk103s in the 410s were purely for use against aircraft. I wouldn't expect any special AP rounds, though I suspect the round we get would be somewhat useful against tanks as it is.

But, you're a little short on your count. It carried 8x bombs internally, plus 4 extra on external racks. Total 12x 50kg for a single sortie. Or 2 larger bombs (250kg, 500kg) because they took up most of the room in the bomb bay. And... If HTC is generous... we'll get the 2x20mm external gunpod, allowing a dragged-down and heavy plane with 8x20mm cannons.

One thing why I don't think Me410 will make a better field suppression aircraft than either the 110G or Mosquito is the lack of payload in bombs. I'm almost certain that as far as big bombs go it'll carry only 2x250kg while 110 carries 2x500 and Mossie has 4x500lbs. Don't know about others but personally I find the 50kgs rather useless for my purposes. Of course the 6x20mm setup of the 410 has quite a bit of "strafing lbs" in it but dropping bombs on the house clusters in the city kills a lot of buildings...

We'll see...

The 410 ought to have 500kg options, but naturally we'll have to wait and see. Even so, I think the 12x 50kg loadout will put it ahead of the 110G/Mossie because on top of that you can also carry the WGRs. Historically this wasn't an issue, but from the way I've seen people fly these planes in AH they will fire a rocket to de-ack. Also, 50kg can be used to de-ack rather well. You come in at 10k, dive, drop 1, and pull back up. Repeat until you are out of bombs. You only have to get close and the blast wave takes out the gun. Then you still have 4x WGRs for more runs lower down. That means you have 16 tries to kill ack guns without putting yourself in point-blank range to do it. Then on top of all that you can strafe what you like with the large ammo load.

I think because of the way we use planes in the LWAs it will probably edge out the 110G for general raids, and leave the Mossie to faster lighter strikes. That seems to be what they're used for now.

That's just a hunch, though.

[Wmaker]

The 410 ought to have 500kg options, but naturally we'll have to wait and see.

The only reference I've seen on the use of 500-series bombs was the fact that only SD500's (anti personel/soft targets) could fit to the bomb bay with the doors closed. With the normal SC500's (general purpose) that are modelled in AH the bomb doors were left partly open. This was with the A-1 variant which was used as a high speed bomber. General Der Kampfflieger, Oberst Pelz wanted to replace these 410's with Ju-88s partly because of the warload limitation and insufficient range.

Source: Mushroom publication's 410 -book.

This was early in 410s service life and as such considering the nature of the setup I doubt it'll be implemented.

[Krusty]

Mushroom simply says no 500kg other than SD500 could fit and have the doors close all the way, and that while Ju88s were wanted, couldn't be made in time so the 410 continued in the Baby Blitz role. Here's a small scan of the blurb is has:



About the SD500:
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/sd500.htm



The SD500 is still a perfectly valid bomb. Just fine for Aces High needs -- we don't need armor piercing bombs. In fact I don't think any german bombs in this game are that specific anyway. I don't think Aces High models penetration of ground structures like that at all, and simply goes by a "this many lbs kills me" setup.

The SD500 was probably far more common than the 1000lb bomb setup on P-51s and P-47s. Probably more common than you'd find 500kg bombs on the 110. That's my reasoning why it's not so far fetched.

[Wmaker]

Mushroom simply says no 500kg other than SD500 could fit and have the doors close all the way, and that while Ju88s were wanted, couldn't be made in time so the 410 continued in the Baby Blitz role. Here's a small scan of the blurb is has:

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About the SD500:
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/sd500.htm

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The SD500 is still a perfectly valid bomb. Just fine for Aces High needs -- we don't need armor piercing bombs. In fact I don't think any german bombs in this game are that specific anyway. I don't think Aces High models penetration of ground structures like that at all, and simply goes by a "this many lbs kills me" setup.

The SD500 was probably far more common than the 1000lb bomb setup on P-51s and P-47s. Probably more common than you'd find 500kg bombs on the 110. That's my reasoning why it's not so far fetched.

Yeh, that's the quote. I managed to mix SD and AB series in my mind probably due to the fact that AB250 carries SD-2 bomblets inside. That's why I called SD500 anti personel bomb. Yeh, lbs is lbs as far as AH is concerned regardless weather it is SC or SD. The shape of the German 500kg bomb matches the SC500 but that should be a 5min fix for Superfly. Then it's a matter of being on A-variant instead of B the seems to be coming based on the default skin but that shouldn't be a big issue considering the rather minor differences between the two.

Anyways, back to my original point. 110G is more maneuverable and can carry both big cannons and big bombs at the same time. The possible ventral 2x20mm condola of the Me410 makes the gap a bit smaller in this respect.

I will happily fly both.

[Vinkman]

Bustr,
 I think your post should say B"iiiiiii"g Guns. If trying to emphasize a sustained BIG. 

Bi"gggggggg" is so hard to say. No one would hold the G sound.


thanks,
Vinkman

[68ZooM]

[PanosGR]

wHERE IS MY 210? I WANT MY 210!!!!!!