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Offline titanic3

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #135 on: May 30, 2012, 10:46:44 AM »
wHERE IS MY 210? I WANT MY 210!!!!!!    :furious :furious :furious

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Fly a 110 with one engine on half throttle and the other on full power. Instability = Me-210.

  the game is concentrated on combat, not on shaking the screen.

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #136 on: May 30, 2012, 11:23:44 AM »
Instability means maneuverability. All 3rd and 4rth gen fighters they are built in with  inherent instability or relaxed static stability if you like.

But  :headscratch: on the other hand they have FBW for that

Seriously now I know about 210 instability problems but only when weapons bay was open.

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #137 on: May 30, 2012, 11:29:57 AM »
210 was also underpowered, means that you'll stall rather easily and it's instability does not help with recovering from a stall.

  the game is concentrated on combat, not on shaking the screen.

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #138 on: May 30, 2012, 12:13:52 PM »
Instability means maneuverability. All 3rd and 4rth gen fighters they are built in with  inherent instability or relaxed static stability if you like.

But  :headscratch: on the other hand they have FBW for that


Fly by wire eliminates the pilot having to deal with said instability. Wrangling the 210 would certaintly be a task.

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #139 on: May 30, 2012, 01:01:37 PM »
Instability means maneuverability. All 3rd and 4rth gen fighters they are built in with  inherent instability or relaxed static stability if you like.

But  :headscratch: on the other hand they have FBW for that

Seriously now I know about 210 instability problems but only when weapons bay was open.



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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #140 on: May 30, 2012, 01:12:07 PM »
Fat Bottomed Women :rofl never thought about that Shuffler

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #141 on: May 30, 2012, 02:35:37 PM »
but they make the rockin' world go round!!!  Please don't dismiss them entirely  :pray
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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #142 on: May 30, 2012, 03:11:17 PM »
210 wasn't quite the death trap it's made out to be. It's not as "good" as the 110G but it has one thing the 110G doesn't: it was already being flight tested at the end of 1940.

While the engineers fought a bickering battle, actual combat pilots wanted it because it was better than the 110C/Ds it was replacing. It also wasn't too hard to handle for the experienced pilots at the time. Even so, the changes made that rectified the problems were mostly in place early on anyways. The tail was lenghtened and other changes were made by either the 200th or 300th airframe. The majority of 210s weren't as bad as the initial test flight on the first airframe, they just held the political stigma of all the bickering that was associated with it.

From an early war standpoint, the 210 would be awesome, handling issues and all. Much like the typh or tempest, the pros outweigh the cons.

I'd hope they add it as well, but won't hold my breath.

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #143 on: May 30, 2012, 05:04:06 PM »
The early 210s were somewhat unstable in the horizontal axis. I.e. the nose tended to bounce a lot and in level flight it would oscillate slightly up/down rather than fly straight. The bomb bay doors also seriously disrupted airflow and caused problems in flight. Altogether noting really critical, but not the mark of a great plane.
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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #144 on: May 30, 2012, 05:08:41 PM »
Very nice work Superfly and CactusKooler, another fine addition.

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #145 on: May 30, 2012, 05:36:47 PM »
  Krusty,

  I dont think the 110c's carried Mk103's they did carry the Mk101 which is basically a heavier nonelectrically fired Mk103. Whether the 410 carried the AP rounds I cant say for sure,I searched that back when Moot was posting all the imfo on the 410 and only saw it listed as available for the weapon,this is why I said it was cappable of using AP rounds.

   I have no idea if HTC modeled those rounds or not.



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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #146 on: May 30, 2012, 05:40:19 PM »
The BK5 will make it the B25H with the manuverability you wish it had, with aproximently the gun.

The more salient question is the two MK103. The same projectile and power of the K4 but at 860m\sec versus 500m\sec. You now have the equivalent balistics of the Mossi6's hissos but, each projectile has the HE power of the Stielhandgranate 24 stick grenade. Your accuracy is in the NS-37 realm x2. Kind of like a flying 2 gun manuverable Ostwind with Hail Mary power out to 800 or 1000 against runners with a good gunsight.

Thats a bit of mischief if you plan it right in missions, or know your way around flying 110 light in furballs, or want something really irritating to HO with as part of a hoard of newbies. It might make CHog status for all the rest of those average type players against each other. It's not what happens after the shine wares off on a new toy. It's the new toy WoW energy put into trying it out before the blush wears off. That's going to be alot of WoW every time one or both of those 860m\sec M-Geschoss ruins someones best evasive manuvering or running by accident.

Might keep average players HOing longer than you think before the hanger gets it's new queen.



I for one am WAY more excited about the Mk103s over the BK5.  It's like the HispanoII and Mk108 got together and had a baby.
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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #147 on: May 30, 2012, 05:54:40 PM »
I for one am WAY more excited about the Mk103s over the BK5.  It's like the HispanoII and Mk108 got together and had a baby.

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #148 on: May 30, 2012, 06:46:51 PM »
 no need to perk...this planes a "bully"...if the model is correct...an I'm certain it is or will be...it's absolutely no match for Spits and Ponies...sure it'll rip thru the bomber formations...hence "bully"... :airplane:

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #149 on: May 30, 2012, 07:32:40 PM »
The 110G with the small gun package rips through bomber formations as it is.  The 410 seems like overkill.  I guess it really needs to be when 99% of buff attackers try to draft behind the tailguns.   :lol
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