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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2012, 07:07:46 PM »
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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2012, 06:35:30 AM »
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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2012, 12:51:14 PM »
Earl do you understand how the ranking works?
not really, but really don't care! All I am interested in is how effective my bomber pilots in my squad are in hitting targets and really that's all that should matter when it comes to ranking a bomber pilot. Every time I hear that base captures makes up 1/5 of bomber rankings, I think of K. Campbell, a B-29 pilot in the Southwest Pacific area of operations, a short, hvy fellow, and I can see his face now, when he is told in order to get your proper reward as a bomber pilot, you must drive a jeep full of troops up Mt. Serbaci(spelling) on Iwo Jima before we could capture the island! Just my personal feelings on the matter.
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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2012, 01:07:03 PM »
Town Center being the most lucrative target ENSURES that every single town on the front will always be out of sync... this keeps maps from being rolled even faster than they already are =)

It would be nice to see targets that mean something be worth more, i.e., hangars, ammo, fuel, etc...

But I guess I get why they do what they do...
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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2012, 03:51:11 PM »
I like to hit ords on my own. Its the only way to slow down the horde and I get to use my favorite bombers to do it. KI-67-AR-234-Mossie. Dont even bother checking scores, cause who cares anyways? Fly the bombers the way YOU want and get personal satisfaction. I agree such targets should get more score recognition but dont really care if they do.
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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2012, 04:15:13 PM »
I like to hit ords on my own. Its the only way to slow down the horde and I get to use my favorite bombers to do it. KI-67-AR-234-Mossie. Dont even bother checking scores, cause who cares anyways? Fly the bombers the way YOU want and get personal satisfaction. I agree such targets should get more score recognition but dont really care if they do.

I am REALLY digging the Ki-67...  although I usually try to hit a string of bases and by the time I have had my fill of fun, there are enough cons co-alt that are faster than the Dragon... fast as she may be... and there's only so much 20mm loving to go around.

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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2012, 04:56:31 PM »
not really, but really don't care! All I am interested in is how effective my bomber pilots in my squad are in hitting targets and really that's all that should matter when it comes to ranking a bomber pilot. Every time I hear that base captures makes up 1/5 of bomber rankings, I think of K. Campbell, a B-29 pilot in the Southwest Pacific area of operations, a short, hvy fellow, and I can see his face now, when he is told in order to get your proper reward as a bomber pilot, you must drive a jeep full of troops up Mt. Serbaci(spelling) on Iwo Jima before we could capture the island! Just my personal feelings on the matter.

Then you shouldn't be looking at ranks or even scores for that matter. Total points and percentage of each player is ok as long as you only compare them to the same players numbers. When you start looking at it through the score system is is easily twisted.

Bomber scoring has 5 categories,

Damage per Death

This is how many points you are awarded per death. Total number of points averaged out over how many deaths +1 (the +1 is because you can't divide zero so everyone gets 1 death). You lose 2 ship in your formation and land the final one you will be charged with 2 deaths.

   
Damage per Sortie

Damage points awarded per sortie is the same, but its an average of all of your sorties +1. For a formation, you are charged 3 sorties.

     
Damage Hit Percentage

This is how well you "hit/miss" It is also the one that people love to tweak. If you drop 3k on a hanger and get it you have 100% hit. If you drop the same 3k on the town center you have closer to 2000% hit. The reason being is with the hanger you got 1 object, with the town you got 12 buildings and 2 guns.... or something like that. The numbers may not be right, but you get the idea. Bigger percentage is due to taking down more objects.

    
Damage Points

total damage points awarded from all of your runs.

   
Field Captures

Well they had to put it some place  :D

If you look at these separately you can see if the player is getting better, hitting smarter, or the opposite. If you add in the ranking, or comparing the points with other players you will have issues. The reason is the system is set up so that a player that only plays a few hours can be ranked closer to a player that plays a hundred hours. If I only make a few runs, but I hit lots of buildings and basically never miss my hit% will be high and my damage per death will be high as well as my damage per sortie. A player who plays alot that doesn't have as good an aim will most likely be shot down more often, have a lower hit%, lower damage per death, lower damage per sortie, but with have a very high total damage points number. Whos the better bomber pilot?

It's had to tell. So HTC totals each category, and then places them from the best to the worst of everyone that plays. Then they take the total of all the categories and and do the same thing listing them from best to worst. This is how each player is ranked. So while some of my numbers will be really good, others are not and the same goes for everyone else. The listing of them sort of averages all the numbers out. That way some one who sucks at bombing but can spend a hundred hours doing it can't blow away a player who is really good at bombing but doesn't have the time to put in. 

Ranks are also easily fudged. The example of the town centers is just one. Imagine the numbers if you drop only 1 bomb, but its a 4k one. Some people do this a few time and then never jump in a buff again for the month. It makes for some really nice numbers and doesn't take long. So don't go by ranks. Check the number them selves, and only compare them the the same persons numbers.

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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2012, 05:09:46 PM »
It would be nice to see targets that mean something be worth more, i.e., hangars, ammo, fuel, etc...
I agree.  I'd like to see what a Lanc driver could do by dropping all hangers on a small field in 1 sortie vs white flagging town.  Hangers aren't worth as much for damage in display.  I don't know about in the scoring, but it would be interesting to get some info on this.

I think the op has a good point.  Fester was #1 overall last tour and flew 12 sorties.  He got 4 kills and only landed just over half of his planes.  How is this the #1??  Because he rearmed and probably just point farmed towns i would suspect.  How else can you average 543k damage per sortie, consider the #2 person averaged 278k.  Doesn't seem right that a person who flew 'actual' bombers 3 times (3 captures + 3 formations*3 =12)

Yeah nothing goofy here.  The scoring system favors someone who's willing to take B29's on a tour of the cities 4 times a tour and only hits centers of town until out of ords or fuel.

Would be nice to see some sort of relational scoring which included sorties flown, where you have to meet a minimum sortie requirement.  Flame on.
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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2012, 09:19:57 PM »
My problem with them is this

i was ranked 15 for bombers last month
i had 41:40:37   in flight in bombers and this was actaul flying not one bomb per town drop stuff ( i may have done one or 2 of those runs trying to pad points but i don't often at all)
i had 311   sorties

now lets compare that to the #1 ranked guy
12:46:43   in flight
12   sorties

this is why rank means nothing

I'm not claiming to be the #1 guy there are better bomber pilots than me that i know rank lower

but you should weight these stats with # of sorties and time in flight somehow not on that but weight the type of targets
i'm not saying towns aren't important but when you fly into a field level all its hangers and head back to land its far more effective
and the percent hit should be based simply on i drop 1 bomb does it blow something up

i had  1294.12% what bull is that

100 should be the best meaning you dropped a salvo of bombs and they hit something every time you dropped bombs

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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2012, 10:30:47 PM »
i had  1294.12% what bull is that

It means the blast radius killed more buildings than one which is why dropping on closely clustered targets
(i.e. town centers) help your bomber rank.  It's simply a measure of objects destroyed per bomb dropped.
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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2012, 11:51:38 PM »
100 should be the best meaning you dropped a salvo of bombs and they hit something every time you dropped bombs
I agree--- 1 bomb doing any damage to any amount of objects (town) should count as a single hit and secure a hit percentage of 100%.

The opposite side of that--- 3/6/9 bombs on a single object (hangar), the damage is split across all 3/6/9 bombs and assuming all bombs were within range to do damage to the object, hit percentage would be still be 100%. 


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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2012, 07:29:11 AM »
Add fighter kills as a component of bomber score.

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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2012, 07:56:06 AM »
Add fighter kills as a component of bomber score.

I've always wondered about this. I can't decide on it. There are those that do take off and use bombers as gunships, as well as others that use them in their respective historical-based rolls. :headscratch:
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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2012, 10:09:24 AM »
If you can drop a HQ and land the sortie, you probably only need a few to be #1

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Re: Bomber Rankings
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2012, 12:22:40 PM »
Then you shouldn't be looking at ranks or even scores for that matter. Total points and percentage of each player is ok as long as you only compare them to the same players numbers. When you start looking at it through the score system is is easily twisted.

Bomber scoring has 5 categories,

Damage per Death

This is how many points you are awarded per death. Total number of points averaged out over how many deaths +1 (the +1 is because you can't divide zero so everyone gets 1 death). You lose 2 ship in your formation and land the final one you will be charged with 2 deaths.

   
Damage per Sortie

Damage points awarded per sortie is the same, but its an average of all of your sorties +1. For a formation, you are charged 3 sorties.

     
Damage Hit Percentage

This is how well you "hit/miss" It is also the one that people love to tweak. If you drop 3k on a hanger and get it you have 100% hit. If you drop the same 3k on the town center you have closer to 2000% hit. The reason being is with the hanger you got 1 object, with the town you got 12 buildings and 2 guns.... or something like that. The numbers may not be right, but you get the idea. Bigger percentage is due to taking down more objects.

    
Damage Points

total damage points awarded from all of your runs.

   
Field Captures

Well they had to put it some place  :D

If you look at these separately you can see if the player is getting better, hitting smarter, or the opposite. If you add in the ranking, or comparing the points with other players you will have issues. The reason is the system is set up so that a player that only plays a few hours can be ranked closer to a player that plays a hundred hours. If I only make a few runs, but I hit lots of buildings and basically never miss my hit% will be high and my damage per death will be high as well as my damage per sortie. A player who plays alot that doesn't have as good an aim will most likely be shot down more often, have a lower hit%, lower damage per death, lower damage per sortie, but with have a very high total damage points number. Whos the better bomber pilot?

It's had to tell. So HTC totals each category, and then places them from the best to the worst of everyone that plays. Then they take the total of all the categories and and do the same thing listing them from best to worst. This is how each player is ranked. So while some of my numbers will be really good, others are not and the same goes for everyone else. The listing of them sort of averages all the numbers out. That way some one who sucks at bombing but can spend a hundred hours doing it can't blow away a player who is really good at bombing but doesn't have the time to put in. 

Ranks are also easily fudged. The example of the town centers is just one. Imagine the numbers if you drop only 1 bomb, but its a 4k one. Some people do this a few time and then never jump in a buff again for the month. It makes for some really nice numbers and doesn't take long. So don't go by ranks. Check the number them selves, and only compare them the the same persons numbers.
I have a lot of respect for you, because of your knowledge of the "game" and your flying ability! But what I am trying to do with this thread is get an accurate ranking system for bomber pilots and nothing really counts except how good a bomber pilot one is. When you put in all these other game classifications related to scoring a bomber pilot, you miss the guys which work hard at bombing and bombing accuracy. I think if anything that should or maybe added, would be fighter kills from a bomber. That again singles out his or her ability as a bomber pilot! I guess I am just having a hard time understanding the reasoning behind 5 different functions which grades a person as a bomber pilot! But, I don't own the plantation, I just pick cotton, so really nothing I can do about it.
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