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Offline Gr8pape

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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2012, 09:50:44 PM »
I make 200 a week, and I have other projects I need money for, and my insurance for my license.

I want to do it on my own, I just really never knew the right approach to it, the air field down the road from me is a private one sadly so I have to drive an additional 20 miles to get to the one a county over. For the Physical do they require blood to be taken? I haven't had blood work done on me since I was 7...

How do I contact a field, should I go there myself or call in?

It will cost you almost that to rent a plane and pay the instructor for an hr.
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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2012, 09:56:24 PM »
It will cost you almost that to rent a plane and pay the instructor for an hr.
Well i'm guaranteed the job til December so I can devote my money to that, after December I'll still be needed hopefully, right now i'm suggesting some recreation room designs while i'm working in the color lab, little extra pay for that if they like my idea's
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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2012, 11:13:10 PM »
Go to the airport and look for signs to the FBO, instructing outfits, and the local flying stuff store.  Check them ALL out for info on who offers instruction, rates, and reputations.  If there is a school they will probably have the best advertisements and probably best success rates, but they often charge a bit more to cover admin overhead and to ensure quality instruction (better planes and steady work for the instructors).  On your salary though, you may want to find the cheapest (often young) instructor and the cheapest piece of junk cessna 150 to get your first 20 or so hours.  Once you can handle a 150 then you can start flying something a bit nicer as you approach your checkride.  I flew a C-150 for about 25 of my first 50 hours, most of the rest in a 152, and about 8 hours in a 172 preparing for both my checkride and the USAF T-41 flight screening program.  I think I flew my checkride in a 152 but it might have been in a 172, can't remember.

Do NOT be seduced into paying a lot more for a nicer aircraft initially though.  You want something easy to fly and reasonably well maintained, not necessarily well equipped though.  A radio, transponder, VOR receiver, artificial horizon, turn/slip indicator, and gyro compass are all you need to start developing SOLID habit patterns that will work with any aircraft.  Depending on where you start flying, you may even be able to skip luxuries like the transponder, VOR receiver, and gyro compass, however I think that using those instruments ought to start early on to ensure you are comfortable with using them later on.  But you certainly don't need anything more than basic analog "steam driven" gauges initially.  Learn to fly first then worry about the fine details.

The 150 I learned on, Cessna 3486V out of Montgomery Field (MYF), could barely taxi out of its own way on the ground and the gyro compass drifted about 10 degrees a minute.  But I sure learned good habits pushing that thing around the sky and flying that plane instead of the nicer 152s and 172s probably saved me $800 and let me finish training sooner.  Plus scheduling the cheapo planes is sometimes easier since licened pilots often want creature comforts like a heater and doors that close all the way and a realistic service ceiling greater than 7,000'.

You may need to join a flying club in order to get covered by their insurance.  This totally depends on who owns the plane you are flying and who the instructor works for.  A school will wrap up your insurance fees with the hourly rate, while a freelance instructor will just rent from a local club and you will usually have to work out an insurance arrangement with the owner(s) if you ever want to solo.  I personally joined a flying club that had the 150, 2 152s, and 3 172s.  It cost me about $40/month but it got me keys to the hangar, the lockbox with the aircraft keys, access to the club fuel account (small discount on gas), and I could schedule any plane I got checked out to fly by a club-approved instructor.  Of course, when I got my license I dropped my membership because I worked out a deal with uncle sam to pay ME instead of the other way around, but I'd probably try to find the same set of owners if I ever live in that area again because their arrangement was inexpensive and casual but they were pretty good with maintenance so the planes flew just fine.

BTW club insurance usually covers only damage to the plane and liability for the owners.  You will have to get your own insurance if you want liability coverage for yourself.  As a kid I didn't get any liability coverage because I didn't have anything that could be taken from me if I got sued and I figured the chances of me doing much damage and actually surviving it was fairly small.  Now though, I have a lot to lose so I'd probably get a mil or two of liability coverage even if the club offered insurance as part of the membership arrangement.  AOPA has more info on that.

Oh yea...  You may want to join AOPA.  They have a nice magazine and have lots of resources for pilots of all experience levels including students.  I think they might even have a student-specific magazine but it's been years since I was a member so I'm not positive about that.  The headset reviews in the AOPA magazine alone justified the membership cost my first year since they saved me from wasting about $300 on a headset/intercom "good deal".

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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2012, 11:15:34 PM »
Get a job so you can pay for flying lessons.  Seriously.  Read Robert Johnson's book "Thunderbolt", especially the beginning, to see what someone who WANTS to fly will do in order to get some stick time.

To be honest though, most people in here probably assume you'll just wait for someone to give it to you.  And you don't need a thousand in the bank to start.  You need $40 for your introductory flight lesson (usually a bit under an hour intro to flying) and then you basically buy flight time as you earn the money.  Get a job paying $100/week and you get somewhere between 1 and 2 hrs of flying per week.  Simple.  As said before, you need to put aside some for the student medical certificate (don't get it until a week or two before solo since it's only good for 2 years IIRC) and another couple hundred bucks for the written exam and test prep material, but you can buy flight time as fast or as slow as you earn money.



I wish 100 bucks would cover an hour...  :cry

Also AOPA may get you a discount at the airport, mine got me 10 bucks off my written.


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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2012, 11:20:42 PM »
I wish 100 bucks would cover an hour...  :cry

You need a cheaper plane or younger instructor, or an instructor who takes *ahem*alternate*ahem* forms of payment :)

Of course, this is coming from someone who plans on charging around $100/hr for upset training and mild aerobatics instruction while I'm stuck telling RPAs where to go and what to do.  I just need to get a taildragger checkout and find a nice citabria or pitts or something like that to rent.  And of course read the FAA approved upset and aerobatics manuals since the military way of doing things isn't even remotely close to the FAA approved standard techniques and procedures.

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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2012, 11:20:42 PM »
AOPA puts out Flight Training - a much better magazine than AOPA pilot IMO. I'm seriously considering terminating my AOPA membership - they sent me a bill a couple weeks ago telling me I owed them $800 for airplane insurance, but I don't get get my insurance through AOPA and it costs alot less than $800. I sent them an email about it but got no response.

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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2012, 11:24:57 PM »
they sent me a bill a couple weeks ago telling me I owed them $800 for airplane insurance, but I don't get get my insurance through AOPA and it costs alot less than $800. I sent them an email about it but got no response.

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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2012, 11:46:46 PM »
You need a cheaper plane or younger instructor, or an instructor who takes *ahem*alternate*ahem* forms of payment :)

Of course, this is coming from someone who plans on charging around $100/hr for upset training and mild aerobatics instruction while I'm stuck telling RPAs where to go and what to do.  I just need to get a taildragger checkout and find a nice citabria or pitts or something like that to rent.  And of course read the FAA approved upset and aerobatics manuals since the military way of doing things isn't even remotely close to the FAA approved standard techniques and procedures.



I fly at the Eglin Aero club and its about 95 bucks for plane rental (this is the cheapest and oldest cessna 172 in their fleet) plus 30 bucks for the instructor). Often I run over an hour though because when Eglin is cycling 16s and 15s (and now 35s) they dont have time for me pittering around at 100 knots. So we fly north to my actual hometown and do our thing then fly back the 15 minutes and wait in line to run it through the pattern.

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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2012, 12:01:55 AM »
Well i'm guaranteed the job til December so I can devote my money to that, after December I'll still be needed hopefully, right now i'm suggesting some recreation room designs while i'm working in the color lab, little extra pay for that if they like my idea's

Review this thread:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,280879.0.html

In the NY area - the budget numbers run between $13,000 and $15,000 for an initial PPL.





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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2012, 12:06:34 AM »
Crap load of stuff to know, re reading through it all, check out my local airports web site and looking at the thread Wolf posted, thanks for the help guys its greatly appreciated on my end
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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2012, 06:20:26 AM »
Wolf was VERY nice came up and let me fly his plane and got me hooked.  He also told me to save the money and do it all at once, as you save money not forgetting what you learned the last lesson, I was going to take out a personal loan to do it but am in the middle of trying to switch jobs.  Maybe a loan would work for you as well??  I paid for an intro flight which was 50 just to get a little more stick time.  BTW Wolf thanks for everything :salute :salute

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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2012, 06:27:22 AM »
No problem Homer how is the kid


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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2012, 09:12:35 AM »
Crap load of stuff to know

This will become common as you progress.

Oh a good idea would be to run by an FBO (fixed base operator at the airport) and pick up a sectional chart. Just look at it, learn to read it, and become comfortable with your area.  :aok

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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2012, 09:49:20 AM »
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Re: Ba Ba Ba Birdstrike
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2012, 03:59:18 PM »
I think I paid about 7,000 total for my PPL.

F22Raptor - you are young and will catch on quick. You'll save a lot of money in that department.
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