assigned sides for the battlefield evolution question

[alpini13]

  I thought it was a good post.  the question is which sides  do each country have........it should be    GERMAN,ITALIAN,JAPAN      vs   ENGLAND,RUSSIA   vs   AMERICAN            WHY?   each would have good air, good ground, and cv aircraft....althought the   english side would still need some developement and so some stand ins would be needed for it to work.     each month the aircraft and gv gruops would rotate and so in a three month period you would have the opportunity to use all the aircraft and vehicles.   your squad could stay on same country...or move each month if they like to fly certain rides      if smaller nations aircraft were added,thier plane set would go into one of the three groups........like maybe france,finland or china to americans.   something like that.   and so......  add the glouster meteor,sea hurricane,seafire 3,ju-52,he-177   and we can REALLY have some fun

[Lusche]

it should be    GERMAN,ITALIAN,JAPAN      vs   ENGLAND,RUSSIA   vs   AMERICAN            WHY?   each would have good air, good ground, and cv aircraft...

Really?

Let's look at the Cv's..


Axis
A6M (2,3,5)
B5N
D3A

vs

Allies
F4U-1
F4U-1a
F4U-1D
F4U-C
F4U-4
F6F
TBM
SBD
Seafire


The axis would simply wiped off the seas without any doubt. particularly if you keep in mind the bomber disparity too:

Ar 234
Ju 88
G4M
Ki-67

vs

B-17
B-24
B-26
B-29
Lancaster



It's almost the definition of unbalanced.

That's why Axis vs Allies setup do work only in special events, with a careful and elaborated setup of additional rules and victory conditions, strictly governed by referees. In the everything goes MA with thousands of player, it simply does not work.

[Melvin]

You forgot the F4F.

Never under-estimate the F4F.

 

[Lusche]

 Just FYI. I looked up the usage data (K+D) for Axis & Allied planes in the MA in all of 2011. The ratio was 7-3. And that was in a a blanced environment...

So with the info provided above, you can imagine what side the player would gravitate to. And this migration would speed up the more imbalanced the numbers are getting.

[Ack-Ack]

Not only is there an unbalance in the aircraft for each side, the other suggestion of a rolling plane set isn't a way to attract new players.  Players will not play if they are forced to fly something other than what they wish, nor would players wait a month or three to be able to fly the ride of their choice. 

Ask yourself this, if a rolling plane set is such a good idea, why didn't HiTech carry over that feature to AH from Warbirds? 

ack-ack

[Wiley]

Just FYI. I looked up the usage data (K+D) for Axis & Allied planes in the MA in all of 2011. The ratio was 7-3. And that was in a a blanced environment...

You've got that reversed, right?  7 allied-3 axis?

Wiley.

[Lusche]

You've got that reversed, right?  7 allied-3 axis?

Wiley.

errr, yes. 

7 allies 3 axis

[Wiley]

No offense intended. . It's just that sometimes the numbers show womething other than what I am expecting, and I found that counterintuitive.

Wiley.

[tuton25]

The Axis side wouldn't be so unbalanced for bombers if planes like the DO-17, HE-111, and DO-177 where added
The nation rotation could if there where 3 rooms set up (so if you wanted to fly american you would go to room 1, british/russian room 2, axis room 3)

[Lusche]

The Axis side wouldn't be so unbalanced for bombers if planes like the DO-17, HE-111,

You are joking... pls tell me you are joking.

The Do-17 balancing the B-29 or B-17?

[tuton25]

I'm no saying it would be perfect.....
Just make things a little better

[Hazard69]

You are joking... pls tell me you are joking.

The Do-17 balancing the B-29 or B-17?

Hmm, would it balanced if the axis had formations and the allies did not?

Problem is, that in the war, the two sides had completely different needs, and different solutions to meet those needs.

Problem with bringing that to MA is: we dont have the different needs, and solution from all three sides are always the same:
Get the cheapest bomber with the biggest bombload and go suicide dive it into whatever u want to kill or bomb and bail. Lancs/B24s/B17s usually fall into this category. How many even try to make it back after dropping their ords?

How often do we see Ki67s, bettys, the bostons or event the B25s used?

[Melvin]

Problem with bringing that to MA is: we dont have the different needs, and solution from all three sides are always the same

And THAT'S why the Axis V Allies arena is so awesome.


 

[icepac]

Except that it's more of a special events arena than a true axis vs allies.

[tuton25]

How often do we see Ki67s, bettys, the bostons or event the B25s used?

Thats kinda the point of this whole thing is to make them more usefull