Spit I v 109E

[Ruah]

I am with the expetin here: other then the dive and run sorts, if the 51 stays to fight it is gonna die.  Of course there are some fantastic 51 pilots out there who can do impressive things in it, but once the e state is equalized, it is just a matter of taking the fight to the vert and it is a win.

I have meet you in G2s and KI84s Lulu, and you have consistently stayed very conservative in your attacks with more alt an e - I will argue that you could fly an A8 like that and win and that every time any 51 gets even close in E with anything less then 3K alt, it is game over unless the 109 makes a mistake.  So the pick and run play style makes sense really.  I will say though that the 51 can scissor really well, but it is really rare to see them scissor.

[321BAR]

A "pick and run" is just a bad BnZ.  The P-51D can be used for much more aggressive BnZ that does not involve running.

[tunnelrat]

A "pick and run" is just a bad BnZ.  The P-51D can be used for much more aggressive BnZ that does not involve running.

So you guys are talking about the 51's that come screaming in with more smash than Hulk, spray, usually miss, and just keep on going (assuming they don't crash?)

Okay, yeah, I have seen those =)

[Karnak]

Tunnelrat,

Basically if the extend part of the BnZ attack is long enough for the defending aircraft to regain whatever E it lost in avoiding the attack then the BnZ is a poor BnZ.  The attack passes have to come fast enough to deny the defender the time to rebuild the E he lost from the prior dodge maneuver.

[lulu]

As you know, i fly spits mostly, but in german planes i can be more dangerous - so dangerous that i think also that a p51 is outclassed by them - i speak about fighters.

I fly p51 too and i still fly it bad but I have a couples of fights that bring me to think that
the p51 is the most danegrous planes in AH. As I said, i will check this thing.

From a certain point of view, it easy to win a fight. It is just a matter of bringing other planes
to fly in conditions that are better for your planes.

The point is that peraphs  in a p51 (or a p48) you can achieve this conditions more rapidly then in the other planes, except when you fail your first merge.


 

[Butcher]

If I seen more aggressive 51s that show any kind of ACM i'd be flying the Tempest more, however if you pull one move and they hit the deck and run its not worth worrying about for now.

[Tank-Ace]

uhhh how is that epic? 109g2 outclasses it entirely.

Not entirely. IIRC, the C2 out accelerates it a bit, and preforms better in the verticle.


And thats if I'm in the C2; I love fighting uphill.

[Karnak]

At no point does the C.205 out accelerate the Bf109G-2.

Climb = Acceleration:

[Tank-Ace]

Either way, I still like the C2 better in the verticle. Just FEELs a tad more stable to me, even if really its the same. And it might or might not be, but thats entirely irrelvent.

[Lusche]

http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=109g2&p2=c205

Charts #5 & #8

[Tank-Ace]

Really close for engine power-related preformance, I just like the feel of the C2 better.


And in either case, its a closer match than a lot of other fights suggested.

[Lusche]

A nice close match for the 109G-2 would be a La5FN, with the La being a just tad better in most categories below 5k.

[Debrody]

The C205 is closer to the 190A5 or the Jak9U than to the G2, also the Gustav or even the Anton are far more agile in post-stall situations.
Thats only my experience tho.

[Big Rat]

  I think maybe you misunderstand what Bigrat said or what he meant,I could be mistaken myself but I bet what Bigrat meant was that the Ki84 has the advantage against any blue plane except the -4 hog.
   I know he's chased me around for countless hours in his hog while I flew an assorted amount of planes and when I was in the Ki84 all I had to do was make him fight me nose up and eventually his hog would do what comes natural and go nose down to the ground...
 So I'm pretty sure he meant that the KI has the advantage.


   

I did kinda word that funny, Morf has my meaning correct

 
BigRat

[Widewing]

My experience with the 109G-2 and C.205 tells me that the C.205 is doomed in a Co-E, Co-alt fight with equal pilots.... Assume no one makes a major gaff. Speeds will deteriorate until flaps come out. Then, the 205 is completely outclassed.

Same problem plagues the Ki-61. Good until slow, then a wallowing whale....