60 of my buddies vs the ack (hangars dropped)

[Dead Man Flying]

Oh the thing called burning out on the game is realy reaching your personal tollerance for being able to produce dopamine in response to stimulation in the game. Often why those hottest sticks get bored and leave sooner than less talented players. And why they had very limited tollerances for the percieved short comings of other players. Not all that different from speed and cocain users profiles.

"Hot sticks" get bored and leave sooner?  Some of the best sticks in this game have played for decades in Aces High and other games.  I would also argue that they have no more limited tolerance for the shortcomings of others than any other players.  The rest of this is just silly... speed and cocaine user profiles?  Really?

[Butcher]

"Hot sticks" get bored and leave sooner?  Some of the best sticks in this game have played for decades in Aces High and other games.  I would also argue that they have no more limited tolerance for the shortcomings of others than any other players.  The rest of this is just silly... speed and cocaine user profiles?  Really?

Actually Bustr hit this on the head, get's quite boring when you can win your share of 1vs1's in the main arena, but to be ganged 10vs1 every single day? I've been struggling to stay interested in the game since january, its either horde or be horded there is no middle line.

The very few fights that develop into furballs are getting rare, plus with fact I cannot switch countries - I switched Bishop and got stuck with the hordechemist and had to log off, I went rook yesterday hoping for a furball and only to see bish take tank town.

Spending more time reading history then actually flying lately, not sure how much longer my $15 will be spent watching hordes run a map in a days time without a single furball.

[FLS]

I understand DeBrody's position on this and why it's popular with those who can expect to win 1v1 dogfights against most of the players, but the bottom line is that everybody pays to play and they get to play the way they want to. There is no absolute right or wrong way to play within the rules. What is wrong is telling somebody else how they should play and insulting them for having different preferences. I'm not pointing at anyone in particular here but if you want to talk about honor in a game, which we've seen a lot of in similar discussions, it's not whether you fly in a group or if you reverse or extend, it's about how you treat other players.

[guncrasher]

Bustr, i think you've read too far into the situation. Explaining the biological and neurological reasons for a tendency is one thing. But then you've gone and tried to use it to explain, and to some extent justify, why people do things in game.


And really, it sounds a lot like the "everybodys a winner!" mentality thats been attacking society like a tumor in recent years. I mean you've essentially said "Its ok, you're just geneticaly and neruologically pusthed towards a tendency to horde. Don't bother trying to improve, its not your fault!  ".


And really, we (as in society) should under no circumstances and in no situation be forwarding that idiotic idea. If they are physically incapable of improving, then, and only then, should we stop pushing them to improve. If someone is underpreforming, they should not be told "its ok, just try your best". Rather, they should be told "Its ok, you're just starting out with a disadvantage. If you really want to do better, you can do XYZ to help you improve".



As to the coward/squad-bashing thing, I think thats only true to an extent. Theres rarely a squad that doesn't get along with at least ONE other squad in the game.

I agree not everybody should be a winner.  but everybody should have an account to post.


semp

[The Fugitive]

I was trying to play "wack a mole" again yesterday chasing the horde around. 25 guys to take a V base, I mean come on.

I understand DeBrody's position on this and why it's popular with those who can expect to win 1v1 dogfights against most of the players, but the bottom line is that everybody pays to play and they get to play the way they want to. There is no absolute right or wrong way to play within the rules. What is wrong is telling somebody else how they should play and insulting them for having different preferences. I'm not pointing at anyone in particular here but if you want to talk about honor in a game, which we've seen a lot of in similar discussions, it's not whether you fly in a group or if you reverse or extend, it's about how you treat other players.

I understand the "everybody pays to play and they get to play the way they want to", but to the detriment of other players? Personally I'm not good enough to take on 10 or more with me and a wingman. After a couple of these runs I'm off looking for something else to do and on a Saturday night there are not many other things to do. I can chase buffs doing milk runs, but even if I guess right as to where they are going next cutting wings off buffs gets boring pretty quit.

I could jump in a GV. Either I'm getting blown up as soon as I spawn, or I have to be lucky enough that a guy spawns in my site and I can get my shot off BEFORE the other 20 guys camping can. I can milk run town centers in a buff, or maybe try to get something going by dropping a few bombs on a town and look to fight someone who ups to defend. That usually turns into either the guy hugging or running to ack, or he up and sees your only one guy and no threat and just lands with out even trying to fight.

I name each film at the end of the "action" most of my films are "who is the running.....". This game is getting more and more away from "air combat" everyday. It has also pushed over into any kind of combat. The top of the page explaining the game play should be edited to state,

"To play the game either hide in the biggest crowd you can find to increase your chases of survival, or lacking a large crowd run as fast as you can to the nearest friendly base."

I'm not looking for a rule change to STOP hordes, but I certainly would like to see one that would make it POSSIBLE to have a chance at fighting one. As it is now you need 6-10 guys either sitting in the tower awaiting a scramble call, or have them split up in pairs and spend the night in ponies porking bases. Neither of which is any fun, and we all know that this GAME is suppose to be FUN right?

[DrBone1]

"Hot sticks" get bored and leave sooner?  Some of the best sticks in this game have played for decades in Aces High and other games.  I would also argue that they have no more limited tolerance for the shortcomings of others than any other players.  The rest of this is just silly... speed and cocaine user profiles?  Really?

oh my gut.

Who could these "Top Sticks" be I wonder.

[Debrody]

to FLS:
i think you totally missed my point.
   I am too simple minded to understand why some people (the very large majority here) is acting the same way. I only brought this topic alive to get an answer, and maybe that might help my little soul to accept this kind of in-game behaviour.
   I have a little problem with the base takers, but i think i can solve it in a short way. If the hordes are pretty bad, let them take the base, i still have an Me-262 to collect the horde tax, and everyone can be happy that way. In the other hand, i cant stand the score-chasers, cowards, and yes, i did and will insult the "i was in a tempest/pony/190, with 10k alt and 10 buddies, you died beyotch, you suck muwhaha" ones. Nope score just cant interest me, i rather prefer to fly against better sticks than me, at least i can learn something. When someone is giving me something worthy, i will try to give it back, but when someone is just throwing crap on me, seriously, should i play the "good-boy"? In that case if you dont like it, well i never asked anyone to like me or try to make me better. Guessing i was straight enough.
   Best wishes,
   Debrődy

[DrBone1]

I think a lot of ppl misunderstand you Debrody as did we have our difference in the past but as you can see all things can be left in the past.

I think its safe to say we agree on a majority of the stuff you have a problem with only difference with me is that it still doesn't affect my play time.

Had a good fight going few nights ago had some Muppets,JG11 and some 71RAF Members in the mix it went back an forth with horde putting down the other horde.

Always going to be that large populace that only wants to do that which is all they are good at, Some dont put the effort in to try and learn the game for what it really is.
Which is the reason for me taking and explaining to so many this game has a wider view than what most play it at.

You also have to remember some of these older folk have the lost the talent they once had and resort to the lame game play that works for them.

 

[Dead Man Flying]

oh my gut.

Who could these "Top Sticks" be I wonder.

Not you, in case you were wondering.

[Dead Man Flying]

Actually Bustr hit this on the head, get's quite boring when you can win your share of 1vs1's in the main arena, but to be ganged 10vs1 every single day? I've been struggling to stay interested in the game since january, its either horde or be horded there is no middle line.

But that's not what Bustr said.  He stated that you build up a tolerance to stimulation - that is, winning a lot and excelling at the game - and that eventually beating the crap out of everything isn't enough.  Thus there's a lot of turnover in "top sticks" because the game just doesn't do it for them anymore.  No amount of gameplay-fueled dopamine gives them that high.

Which is, of course, silly.  Guys like Citabria, kappa, Drex (who played since the early 1990s), Delirium, Blukitty/ManeTMP, Bruv (who played in Fighter Ace prior to joining AH if I'm not mistaken), Shane, Widewing, Bighorn and others have years upon years of experience.  Certainly there are other folks who became very good in a short period of time and then left, but in my experience that's less a result of Dopamine tolerance and more due to frustrations stemming from a disconnection between self-identity and the way others in the arena viewed them.  Ego rather than physiology in other words.

[Stampf]

But that's not what Bustr said.  He stated that you build up a tolerance to stimulation - that is, winning a lot and excelling at the game - and that eventually beating the crap out of everything isn't enough.  Thus there's a lot of turnover in "top sticks" because the game just doesn't do it for them anymore.  No amount of gameplay-fueled dopamine gives them that high.

Which is, of course, silly.  Guys like Citabria, kappa, Drex (who played since the early 1990s), Delirium, Blukitty/ManeTMP, Bruv (who played in Fighter Ace prior to joining AH if I'm not mistaken), Shane, Widewing, Bighorn and others have years upon years of experience.  Certainly there are other folks who became very good in a short period of time and then left, but in my experience that's less a result of Dopamine tolerance and more due to frustrations stemming from a disconnection between self-identity and the way others in the arena viewed them.  Ego rather than physiology in other words.

Wisdom.

[FLS]

to FLS:
i think you totally missed my point.
   I am too simple minded to understand why some people (the very large majority here) is acting the same way. I only brought this topic alive to get an answer, and maybe that might help my little soul to accept this kind of in-game behaviour.
   I have a little problem with the base takers, but i think i can solve it in a short way. If the hordes are pretty bad, let them take the base, i still have an Me-262 to collect the horde tax, and everyone can be happy that way. In the other hand, i cant stand the score-chasers, cowards, and yes, i did and will insult the "i was in a tempest/pony/190, with 10k alt and 10 buddies, you died beyotch, you suck muwhaha" ones. Nope score just cant interest me, i rather prefer to fly against better sticks than me, at least i can learn something. When someone is giving me something worthy, i will try to give it back, but when someone is just throwing crap on me, seriously, should i play the "good-boy"? In that case if you dont like it, well i never asked anyone to like me or try to make me better. Guessing i was straight enough.
   Best wishes,
   Debrődy

I think I understood you perfectly DeBrody.  The short answer to your question is that everyone will naturally play the way that suits them and let's them have fun rather than playing to suit someone else. If you need to insult people at this time in your development as an adult I can live with that. It's between you and HTC how much of that you will get away with. I may be wrong but I like to think that you will eventually rise above that sort of behavior.  

I understand the "everybody pays to play and they get to play the way they want to", but to the detriment of other players?

I see your point. Everyone should stop shooting down other players immediately.  

More seriously, the main arenas are designed to promote teamwork in offense and defense.

[The Fugitive]

I think I understood you perfectly DeBrody.  The short answer to your question is that everyone will naturally play the way that suits them and let's them have fun rather than playing to suit someone else. If you need to insult people at this time in your development as an adult I can live with that. It's between you and HTC how much of that you will get away with. I may be wrong but I like to think that you will eventually rise above that sort of behavior.  


I see your point. Everyone should stop shooting down other players immediately.  

More seriously, the main arenas are designed to promote teamwork in offense and defense.

Not it's only offense, defense is individual. There are no rewards to defend like there is for offense. That's why I'm NOT asking to remove the hordes, I'm just looking for something to be put in to help combat <---- notice the word? .... the horde. People want to group up and horde, that's fine, give the defenders a way to be able to have a fighting <----- notice the word?.... chance against them.

[FLS]

Not it's only offense, defense is individual. There are no rewards to defend like there is for offense. That's why I'm NOT asking to remove the hordes, I'm just looking for something to be put in to help combat <---- notice the word? .... the horde. People want to group up and horde, that's fine, give the defenders a way to be able to have a fighting <----- notice the word?.... chance against them.

I see your point. How about if the base takers announce on 200 which field they want to take and ask how many defenders will be there so they don't bring too many attackers?

[Lusche]

and ask how many defenders will be there so they don't bring too many attackers?

 

Of course all the guys that havent answered because they not tuned to 200 (like myself) will not go to that base...