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Re: Crusader Tank
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2012, 08:01:23 PM »
Anything that gets wished by Butcher is a -1 from me.  :D


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Re: Crusader Tank
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2012, 09:21:32 PM »
Are you diving straight down? i've killed a few wirbs while diving almost straight down on them, usually I will turret them with a Hurri or such then dive straight down on top of the turret, usually grants a kill.

No, I generally attack in a way that at least give me a chance to significantly outlive my victim.  :p
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Re: Crusader Tank
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2012, 10:26:47 PM »
Could you post some info about the 6-pounder guns armor-piercing abilities plz?
If it could penetrate about 75-80mms at 1km, then this tank could be quite useful as filling the gap between the panzer4F and the m8, also some north africa events would be kick awesome.
I dont know anything about it tho, just speculating.

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Re: Crusader Tank
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2012, 10:50:15 PM »
Could you post some info about the 6-pounder guns armor-piercing abilities plz?
If it could penetrate about 75-80mms at 1km, then this tank could be quite useful as filling the gap between the panzer4F and the m8, also some north africa events would be kick awesome.
I dont know anything about it tho, just speculating.


Here's a penetration table for it:
AP for Mk III Gun: 500 meters it penetration 81mm
APDS Sabot: 500meters it penetrates 130mm, 1000 meters 119mm, 1500meters 101mm
Source Western Allied Tanks 1939-45, David Porter, 2009

In Africa it used the AP round, however for sicily and such it used APDS sabot

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Re: Crusader Tank
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2012, 08:59:36 AM »
IN 43 Cal Gun Mks 1-3Weight
kg
Muzzle Velocity
m/s
Penetration at 460m
and 30º in mm
Penetration at 920m
and 30º in mm
Shot, AP2.88207362
Shot, AP (HV)2.88508168
Shot, APC, Mk 8T2.88507263
Shot, APCBC, Mk 9T3.27906860
IN 50 Cal Gun Mks 1-3Weight
kg
Muzzle Velocity
m/s
Penetration at 460m
and 30º in mm
Penetration at 920m
and 30º in mm
Shot, AP, Mks 1 to 72.88908271
Shot, APC, Mk 8T2.88907867
Shot, APCBC, Mk 9T3.28308773
Shot, APCR, Mk 1T1.81,08010990
Shot, APDS, Mk 1T1.471,235131117
Shell, HE Mk 10T~3820--
US AP M702.858508164
US APCBC/HE M863.38208164

... not too shabby :)

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Re: Crusader Tank
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2012, 09:16:09 AM »
btw the QF 6pdr could be used for loads of AH models, it was fitted to;

Crusader III,
Cavalier,
Centaur 1,
Cromwell I to III,
Valentine VIII to X,
Churchill III, IV and X,
Mosquito FB Mk XVIII,
M3 (as soviet SU-57)
and as towed artillery, on ships and shore batteries.
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Re: Crusader Tank
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2012, 12:35:39 PM »
So looks like with APDS its going to be equivelant to the KwK 40 and US 76mm?

I also read that accuraccy was terrible with the early APDS rounds, should that be modeled as well?
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: Crusader Tank
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2012, 12:38:47 PM »
I also read that accuraccy was terrible with the early APDS rounds, should that be modeled as well?
I would say that it should be, yes.
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Re: Crusader Tank
« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2012, 12:41:34 PM »
I would say that it should be, yes.

So just a LOT of shell dispersion? Thats really the only way I can see doing it, though it would open the door to something I'd rather not see.
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Re: Crusader Tank
« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2012, 01:10:48 PM »
So just a LOT of shell dispersion? Thats really the only way I can see doing it,
Probably the easiest way to do it.  Is that not the way in which it was inaccurate?

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Re: Crusader Tank
« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2012, 04:09:59 PM »
Well, I'd rather not see all guns having dispersion of shells, as it would make everyone less effective at range, which is where the Tiger II, Panther, and Tiger I gain most of their advantage, and some tank are going to have a hell of a time hitting anything at more than 1000m.
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Re: Crusader Tank
« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2012, 01:51:36 AM »
Well, I'd rather not see all guns having dispersion of shells, as it would make everyone less effective at range, which is where the Tiger II, Panther, and Tiger I gain most of their advantage, and some tank are going to have a hell of a time hitting anything at more than 1000m.

There is a balance of arcade and realism in Aces High, for that there is no dispersion of shells for Tanks. Unless HTC decides over night to add it, most likely its not an issue to worry about anytime soon. Frankly Ground Vehicles really do not garnish enough interest to really beef up ground warfare for Aces High.
And I agree - leave the system the way it is, possibly add a few more vehicles and maybe some more interest might be devoted to it.

Until then, adding any additional realism or learning curve will simply hamper ground vehicles, enough people can't even figure out how to operate a vehicle in automatic transmission.
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Re: Crusader Tank
« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2012, 10:56:44 AM »
Here's a penetration table for it:
AP for Mk III Gun: 500 meters it penetration 81mm
APDS Sabot: 500meters it penetrates 130mm, 1000 meters 119mm, 1500meters 101mm
Source Western Allied Tanks 1939-45, David Porter, 2009

In Africa it used the AP round, however for sicily and such it used APDS sabot

Not that it matters much when the round penetrated the crew compartment, but it seems to be that the smaller the projectile the less damage it does once it busts through the armor.  That can be noticed in the HVAP of the T34's, it seems to plenty of damaging shots vs kill shots when the enemy tanks are in range of being able to defeat the armor.  For instance, at the same range the T34's 76mm HVAP would be more likely to damage the turret vs the Panzer IV H 7.5cm gun destroying the tank with the same hit.

I think it would be great for HTC to fill in the EW/MW tank selection (2Pdr and 6 pdr guns), the Pzr III would be good to have too.   :aok 
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