So, whatever happened to the SDL?

[JOACH1M]

I never seen any of the films of kn vs. jj. I heard the was some hot merging going on...

It's not ok to HO in a 6v6 enviroment, but its a kill or be killed game winner lives on.

[kilo2]

Okay, Sukov, come against me...  was i saying anything inappropiate?...

Jo, i seen those vids. Telling you what the JJs did, way crossed the line. If you participate in an event what should be some friendly fun yet you get nothing else but the usual MA mindless ho and run, well, many would be pissed. Seen the "referee's" reaction, i did not found it fair. Anyway, what happened, cant be changed, still, might give you a reference what to avoid in the future. Is it really needed to try to annoy the KN?

Think about it. There was a reason why everyone quit.
I dont have to be a Nostradamus to predict, this thread will be a giant, mindless, very low flaming fest in no time. Is it good for you?

I didn't mean anything toward you personally.

The whole SDL thing could still exist if people really wanted to participate. They do not want to though and the whole "ego" excuse is convenient for them.

As for the JJvKN thing, it is way in the past if you want to go look into it I am sure the thread exists.

[Debrody]

All they ever wanted was just a fair fight. They won some, lost some, but werent yelling on anyone before that - cause the others gave them fair and fun stuff. From the JJs they got the exact opposition and that made them upset. You know, the way you are playing a game tells everything about you. They went for the organizers to call them to be the referee, to re-fight it withouth hoing, yet they got punched on the nose (basically "shut it or you will get kicked out" - if i could get it). Wouldnt you go ballistic after this?
It all has nothing to do with cartoon egos. Plz do me a huge favour and stay in peace, nothing else i want right now, just peace.

As for the current SDL, if it could work like the DFC, with very exact and strict, fair-fun orietated rules, it could work again. But everyone has to step one forward and leave the ashes behind.

[mthrockmor]

The best thing that could happen to squad play in AH is to find a way to revive the SDL. I participated in season II but that is when it fell apart. I know many of these players and squads got very ticked at each other. Sad to see such highly respected players on both sides of it.

What are the best steps to getting it back into action? I say we get a meeting of some squad COs, set some clear rules, have some umps and ease into it. But that's just me...

Boo

[Butcher]

Okay, Sukov, come against me...  was i saying anything inappropiate?...

Jo, i seen those vids. Telling you what the JJs did, way crossed the line. If you participate in an event what should be some friendly fun yet you get nothing else but the usual MA mindless ho and run, well, many would be pissed. Seen the "referee's" reaction, i did not found it fair. Anyway, what happened, cant be changed, still, might give you a reference what to avoid in the future. Is it really needed to try to annoy the KN?

Think about it. There was a reason why everyone quit.
I dont have to be a Nostradamus to predict, this thread will be a giant, mindless, very low flaming fest in no time. Is it good for you?

You are wrong 

[RedBull1]

[DrBone1]

The best thing that could happen to squad play in AH is to find a way to revive the SDL. I participated in season II but that is when it fell apart. I know many of these players and squads got very ticked at each other. Sad to see such highly respected players on both sides of it.

What are the best steps to getting it back into action? I say we get a meeting of some squad COs, set some clear rules, have some umps and ease into it. But that's just me...

Boo

Count me and My boys in we have tried getting this going months back.

Like most have said its lack of interest. <--Most spout alot about wanting to revive it or bring it back but very little has been done by those.

I can honestly say I have tried.  

[Bruv119]

we did have about 80 matches over 2 years,   only 3 had some afters.  

the few vs jg11 was the first,  they requested axis vs allies,   and called us out for HO ing which was nonsense especially with more manoeuvrable aircraft. the drubbing was too much for stampf to take after he built it up to be some sort of epic show down.   JG11 left.  

KN vs JJ  from all accounts JJ's got a few aggressive kills in the merge and caught KN by surprise,  HO ing wasn't against the rules at any point even though some started adopting this tactic to get an advantage.      I had to kick out KN because of the posts and not because I didn't agree with them.    

Bone then made the pigs leave by sending them nasty PM's that I didn't know about. Had they made me aware of what was said at the time I could have taken corrective action but they just assumed because I was in charge it would have been swept under the carpet.  

Pigs vs LD    The pigs or rather junky and krup decided to take more than 25% fuel and climb,  again nothing in the rules regarding this and they proceeded to get chased around by angry LD's  who in one round ran out of fuel and had to bail.   I was in the DA at the time to watch and was asked by krup and dhyran what the rules were on this and gave them as I knew them which was fuel loadouts are the pilots choice.   Again accused of not acting in the correct manner      

back in FA we had squad fights every weekend and they did have a host which in hindsight was probably the best policy just incase things spilled over.  No-one questioned the host/umpire/referee  and that kept things in check.  Shouldn't have too but I guess that is just human nature.

The other issue was bringing MA squabbles into it, when you have a perceived view of a group of players and you have the opportunity to fight it out there is always more to a grudge match!    

[Bruv119]

All they ever wanted was just a fair fight. They won some, lost some, but werent yelling on anyone before that - cause the others gave them fair and fun stuff. From the JJs they got the exact opposition and that made them upset. You know, the way you are playing a game tells everything about you. They went for the organizers to call them to be the referee, to re-fight it withouth hoing, yet they got punched on the nose (basically "shut it or you will get kicked out" - if i could get it). Wouldnt you go ballistic after this?
It all has nothing to do with cartoon egos. Plz do me a huge favour and stay in peace, nothing else i want right now, just peace.

As for the current SDL, if it could work like the DFC, with very exact and strict, fair-fun orietated rules, it could work again. But everyone has to step one forward and leave the ashes behind.

I agree with the sentiment behind this post because we suffered a similar fate in our last match but asking for the ref to do something and completely insulting their opponents is far from asking politely!!!   

[Noir]

enforce cold merge by rule, and fuel loadout set by referee decision? most planes could use 50% except the P51 and alike that would get 25%

[coombz]

all pilots to record each round and save the film in case of any disputes

although this is all academic anyway

[dhyran]

Pigs vs LD    The pigs or rather junky and krup decided to take more than 25% fuel and climb,  again nothing in the rules regarding this and they proceeded to get chased around by angry LD's  who in one round ran out of fuel and had to bail.   I was in the DA at the time to watch and was asked by krup and dhyran what the rules were on this and gave them as I knew them which was fuel loadouts are the pilots choice.   Again accused of not acting in the correct manner      

well,

that was that match:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUEJbDAphAs&list=UUS_alIt0PElL5PqF1yqZiYg&index=4&feature=plcp

But it was not you who acting not correct, it was the fact that pilots from your squad spammed some of us with priv messages during the SDL battle LD vs Pigs, we had no deal with the pigs there, it was a fun match and it was my fault to choose 25% and thought that was a standard. The pigs were in advance with 2:1 and we fought back in the fourth and fith round, so it ended 3:2 for us, one of the best matches at all!

SDL was great fun, and i loved the layout!  

[zack1234]

Overblown virtual Ego is what happened.

This

We could do with some drama in forums again

[Debrody]

HO ing wasn't against the rules at any point even though some started adopting this tactic to get an advantage.

Then set up exact and strict rules, damn it!
Like as Boo said, let the COs sit down and stay there til they can agree in rules and regulations what everyone can accept. Does the DFC has this? Yes. Is the DFC working? Yes, noone is complaining about unfair or unsporting behaviour, everyone can enjoy the fair fights.

Anyway, check the SDL board.

[Bruv119]

do you think we didn't discuss the whole HO on the merge deal when it reared its ugly head?     

The nature of 8vs8 isn't the same as a strict 1vs1,   the most clean merges involved players being tight to their lead man so it was clear that the formation had passed and that the fight was ON however some squads preferred to do a long conga line or a tactical spread.   

When the distances were too far apart you had some people IN and some that were still arriving looking to head on, because they were late to the party.   I think most of the C.O's agreed at the time that they would rather risk a few head ons and get out of the way, rather than have all room for manoeuvre impeded by strict rule enforcement.

Daddog wrote them years ago and all C.O's agreed to them upon joining if there were any mis-understandings then they were always there for everyone to see.  The cracking fights can only happen if all the BS is cut out and that is down to the participants and not the organiser.  There was also room for a C.O to discuss and agree on any particular setups differing from the accepted norm.