So, whatever happened to the SDL?

[Midway]

If enough squadron leaders were to commit to the league, and to having it run by the equivalent of summer 1945 Japanese replacement pilot skill-wise, I'd be happy to dedicate the time to restoring something like this.

The fact that there aren't more sanctioned squad vs. squad events/ladders does not speak very highly of the community at large... back in the day there was a decidedly friendlier air about the place. 

What I'd really like to see is a "Fantasy Aces High" league, where everyone interested signs up... team captains are chosen from those pilots who volunteer to be such, and then a ladder battle ensues over the course of the next month or whatever.  The problem with this is that it requires commitment not only to the ladder but to the TEAM they are chosen by...  i.e., you've got Dolby, Bruv, Pand, and Midway on the same team... and they have to be able to perform together AS a team... or get drubbed.

I set one of these up once before, long ago, in an FPS (mod) community... it broke down under the ego burden after the first few rounds... but the draft itself made it more than worth it.  With the egos around here, I doubt it'd get past the sign up phase hahahahaha

 

  I am not worthy.   

[M0nkey_Man]

Jokers Jokers  KN, KN was very mad.

Dbone and kazaa were persistant about wanting films. That annoyed KN greatly.

Then massive ego-peen throwing went on and on.


Everyone quit SDL and because of that I never got to play in 1 single SDL Match.

me either

[tunnelrat]

I wouldnt mind refereeing.

Hows this for an idea:

Anyone who wants to make an accusation about someone else breaking a rule (ho, entering the fight with an advantage AKA extra altitude) must provide film. If there is no film then no accusation can be made. Then everyone will start filming to insure that if needed they can support an accusation. Then when people know they are being filmed they are less likely to break rules, while still providing a system incase rules are broken.

Any other thoughts on this?

I would say that, as a ground floor rule, requiring EVERY player to submit a film of the entirety of the match (email, or FTP, the files aren't that big) as a qualification for eligibility immediately does the following:

1.  Instantly provides the means to dispute/prove/disprove any claims

2.  Fosters sportsmanlike conduct by removing anonymity

3.  Publicly available download of films allows any player to learn from any other player

4.  Fodder for epic AH movies is never in short supply

= Win.

[Seanaldinho]

I would say that, as a ground floor rule, requiring EVERY player to submit a film of the entirety of the match (email, or FTP, the files aren't that big) as a qualification for eligibility immediately does the following:

1.  Instantly provides the means to dispute/prove/disprove any claims

2.  Fosters sportsmanlike conduct by removing anonymity

3.  Publicly available download of films allows any player to learn from any other player

4.  Fodder for epic AH movies is never in short supply

= Win.

This would work as well but that would be alot of film to wrangle.

I would manage it like this (using folders)

Squad Dueling League-->Round #-->Squad Name-->Then each individuals film.

If they dont submit a film they must sit out the next round.

[Butcher]

This would work as well but that would be alot of film to wrangle.

I would manage it like this (using folders)

Squad Dueling League-->Round #-->Squad Name-->Then each individuals film.

If they dont submit a film they must sit out the next round.

This is extremely easy to do, I set up the 367th Squad website to upload films and photos.

Basically you need basic understanding of it, if the player can't name the film something like :
"TopGun-Butcher-Round1-Spitfire"

Second film would be:

"TopGun-Butcher-Round2-me109"

Squad name / Pilot name / Round / Plane

Think of it like Music, I have all my music listed like this:
Band Name - Year - Album Name - Song # - Song title

So easy to do, and manage, you need a webpage and simple HTML to use, Administrators get access to the FTP, everyone else can get READ access only.
Logs are kept in case of tampering (been done before believe me).

I could set this up in 15 minutes flat, have it ready so anyone can upload or download, you simply have to have an administrator make the folders so everyone can review each round / Squad etc

[Midway]

This would work as well but that would be alot of film to wrangle.

I would manage it like this (using folders)

Squad Dueling League-->Round #-->Squad Name-->Then each individuals film.

If they dont submit a film they must sit out the next round.

Really?  They didn't have to review films in WWII.  Why even have rules about merging and alt, etc.   Just up with your squad and start downing the enemy any way you can.  There were no HO merge rules or hard ceilings in RL, etc.  

If the bad guys get shot down, there's no arguing about whether he's down or isn't.  The winner should be obvious then.

My $0.02.  

[tunnelrat]

As far as rules purity go, things like HOing should (in my opinion) be left up to gentleman's agreement.

If a squad wants to be the dirty Oakland Raiders/Riverbottom Nightmare Band of the SDL, let them get that reputation and let other squads either defeat them without resorting to such tactics or adopt those tactics themselves.

[Seanaldinho]

Really?  They didn't have to review films in WWII.  Why even have rules about merging and alt, etc.   Just up with your squad and start downing the enemy any way you can.  There were no HO merge rules or hard ceilings in RL, etc.  

If the bad guys get shot down, there's no arguing about whether he's down or isn't.  The winner should be obvious then.

My $0.02.  

Im not suggesting those rules be made. IF those rules are made though this would be the best way to manage the films. And gun camera footage was reviewed in WW2.

This is extremely easy to do, I set up the 367th Squad website to upload films and photos.

Basically you need basic understanding of it, if the player can't name the film something like :
"TopGun-Butcher-Round1-Spitfire"

Second film would be:

"TopGun-Butcher-Round2-me109"

Squad name / Pilot name / Round / Plane

Think of it like Music, I have all my music listed like this:
Band Name - Year - Album Name - Song # - Song title

So easy to do, and manage, you need a webpage and simple HTML to use, Administrators get access to the FTP, everyone else can get READ access only.
Logs are kept in case of tampering (been done before believe me).

I could set this up in 15 minutes flat, have it ready so anyone can upload or download, you simply have to have an administrator make the folders so everyone can review each round / Squad etc

That sounds even better and I wouldnt mind helping if you need it.  

[Butcher]

Really?  They didn't have to review films in WWII.  Why even have rules about merging and alt, etc.   Just up with your squad and start downing the enemy any way you can.  There were no HO merge rules or hard ceilings in RL, etc.  

If the bad guys get shot down, there's no arguing about whether he's down or isn't.  The winner should be obvious then.

My $0.02.  

Because people with no skill can easily HO down 6 planes, Dueling is about competition with a fair advantage given to the winner, allowing someone to HO gives nobody an advantage. Cold merge, then everything is game after that, assuming all 6 planes are flying together, otherwise if someone uses a trail tactic to "Ho" down after the first plane does a cold merge, the squad should be disqualified.

[Midway]

As far as rules purity go, things like HOing should (in my opinion) be left up to gentleman's agreement.

If a squad wants to be the dirty Oakland Raiders/Riverbottom Nightmare Band of the SDL, let them get that reputation and let other squads either defeat them without resorting to such tactics or adopt those tactics themselves.

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I say HO em if you want, or avoid said HOs to prove you're a gentleman with skill.  

[Midway]

Because people with no skill can easily HO down 6 planes, Dueling is about competition with a fair advantage given to the winner, allowing someone to HO gives nobody an advantage. Cold merge, then everything is game after that, assuming all 6 planes are flying together, otherwise if someone uses a trail tactic to "Ho" down after the first plane does a cold merge, the squad should be disqualified.

Lol, takes a lot of skill to HO down 6 planes.  Takes little skill to avoid a HO, don't line up for it.  

Sounds like you get rid of these rules, and the controversy is moot. 

[tunnelrat]

I say HO em if you want, or avoid said HOs to prove you're a gentleman with skill.  

The main reason I don't HO is because I know I'm probably going to get shot down anyway, so why go out like a punk ass?

[Butcher]

Im not suggesting those rules be made. IF those rules are made though this would be the best way to manage the films. And gun camera footage was reviewed in WW2.

That sounds even better and I wouldnt mind helping if you need it.  

if Bruv is interested in restarting SDL, I would certainly be able to help if needed, frankly I am going to have plenty of time on my hand:)

[tunnelrat]

Because people with no skill can easily HO down 6 planes, Dueling is about competition with a fair advantage given to the winner, allowing someone to HO gives nobody an advantage. Cold merge, then everything is game after that, assuming all 6 planes are flying together, otherwise if someone uses a trail tactic to "Ho" down after the first plane does a cold merge, the squad should be disqualified.

Why not have a ref in each fight in a Storch over the dueling area.... let them call out "MERGED!" on 200?

After which time, anything goes... films would clear up any disputes.

[Butcher]

Why not have a ref in each fight in a Storch over the dueling area.... let them call out "MERGED!" on 200?

After which time, anything goes... films would clear up any disputes.

Nah its easier to have 6 planes band together, form up then MERGE - what I am trying to stay away from is having people congo line into a merge, where its questionable, Its quite simple - you form up when you say ready on country channel, other guy says READY then you head towards and merge.

Films will show if someones attempting or Congo lining, because last thing you want is some tard congo lining then after the first few planes merge, goes out to HO someone.

ALL planes have to cold merge regardless of position, being last in line is the WORSE place you can be in a cold merge in this case, simply because you are the last to turn and can get a deflection shot/ Ho on ya before you can bring guns to bear.

Either way everyone still has to cold merge, Films will catch it.