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Offline MaSonZ

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Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« on: June 27, 2012, 05:28:46 PM »
Can anyone else believe this? :bhead

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120627/METRO/206270419/Detroit-wins-grant-rehire-laid-off-firefighters?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Granted, its only 56 in the end, but one would be amazed with ~20 fires a NIGHT, forget the day time, how much 56 can do. For anyone who knows anything or has any expierence in the fire service they know how stressful and tiring one fire can be....
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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2012, 05:41:37 PM »
How many office workers have been laid off?

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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2012, 06:00:03 PM »
So glad  my father had the forsight to get us out pof there when I was a kid, Plus  General Dynamics  laid off a ton and he had no choice loil
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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2012, 07:24:47 PM »
How many office workers have been laid off?
not sure, but I can look into it. I dont live in the Detroit Area, but with Google anything is possible. If I had to guess though, not many.
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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 12:42:31 AM »
                   Full-time employees         Monthly full-time payroll           Average yearly full-time wage
Firefighters       1,158                        $5,585,448                           $57,880   
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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2012, 01:24:05 AM »
                   Full-time employees         Monthly full-time payroll                      Average yearly full-time wage
Firefighters       1,158                        $5,585,448There's an issue...   $57,880   
They're not getting paid enough.
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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 02:06:35 AM »
They're not getting paid enough.

Unions.    :rofl
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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 05:16:14 AM »
most firefighters I know dont make close to 60k.  they go way above that.   our city has a lot of firefighters but very few fires.  most calls are for paramedics in which case a firetruck also comes along.  it would cost a lot less if only the paramedic truck would show up.  been proposed many times but the union always goes against it.

there's articles about firefighters making well over 100k a year with some doing over 200k due to overtime.

http://wyomingnews.com/articles/2012/03/11/news/01top_03-11-12.txt
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2012/05/trenton_fire_department_faces.html

and this is a cool news.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/03/30/3849169/firefighters-sue-fort-worth-in.html

firefighters arent getting laid off for lack of money.  I believe there's a lot of waste.

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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2012, 07:26:20 AM »
The firefighter population is declining proportionate with the population of the residents.

Actually......it's a bit less.

That said, the mass exodus of people from detroit actually causes more need for firefighters.

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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2012, 09:44:04 AM »
take a wander down Fort street, south of the ambassador bridge.......
2 miles of that road could burn and it would be an improvement

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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2012, 09:47:18 AM »
I wish I'd gone on the firefighter job. Great hours, time off to work a trade job, naps at work, job security, same pay and bennies as the cop job, better Bosses, people get along better cause you have to since you have to live with each other. No negative press daily in the media. The citizens dont hate you cause your not giving them tickets or arresting them.

All this assuming there are no fires. And of course here in Chicago the trucks are always rolling cause the bambulances are always tied up with people shot, we might get 50 people shot on a weekend at night, along with all the other ailments from heart attacks to car accidents. Detroit is probably worse.

And of course theres the fires. If youv never been in one I wouldnt know how to explain it other then its the scariest thing Ive ever been around. Ive caught smoke inhalation twice trying to get to people trapped, once I was able to and once not. Fires are the one thing that scares the living hell out of me and I aint shamed to say it. Imagine what its like in Detroit where 1/2 of the population is probably running electric heaters to stay warm in winter, or candles. Both recipes for disaster.

And while 57g a year might be a lot in some parts of the country its nothing in the big cities where it might cost $350,000 to buy a house in a neighborhood where your kid is unlikely to get shot in the park playing ball. Thats mail carrier salary cops and firemen make. Think about it?

But Ive often thought how strange it is that citizens think we make to much, while risking our lives for people who think we make to much, and they have nothing to say about the clowns who misuse their tax dollars, and are always grabbing more, while taking care of their buddies who in turn are taking care of them. They are the Svengalis in all this. We, all of us, are just the serfs. I bet "they" arent getting laid off.
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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2012, 09:56:24 AM »
Detroit is in such a deep hole it is unreal. There is no hope in Detroit what so ever.
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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2012, 02:49:59 PM »
Detroit is probably worse.
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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2012, 05:06:16 PM »
They're not getting paid enough.
not even close to this in fact.... Listen to the media (I know, how reliable), who gets budget cuts first? EMT's, Firefighters and Teachers. It has nothing to do with the firefighters not getting paid enough, if I made what a paid firefighter makes I would be living with golden walls in my area.....

I wish I'd gone on the firefighter job. Great hours, time off to work a trade job, naps at work, job security, same pay and bennies as the cop job, better Bosses, people get along better cause you have to since you have to live with each other. No negative press daily in the media. The citizens dont hate you cause your not giving them tickets or arresting them.

All this assuming there are no fires. And of course here in Chicago the trucks are always rolling cause the bambulances are always tied up with people shot, we might get 50 people shot on a weekend at night, along with all the other ailments from heart attacks to car accidents. Detroit is probably worse.

And of course theres the fires. If youv never been in one I wouldnt know how to explain it other then its the scariest thing Ive ever been around. Ive caught smoke inhalation twice trying to get to people trapped, once I was able to and once not. Fires are the one thing that scares the living hell out of me and I aint shamed to say it. Imagine what its like in Detroit where 1/2 of the population is probably running electric heaters to stay warm in winter, or candles. Both recipes for disaster.

And while 57g a year might be a lot in some parts of the country its nothing in the big cities where it might cost $350,000 to buy a house in a neighborhood where your kid is unlikely to get shot in the park playing ball. Thats mail carrier salary cops and firemen make. Think about it?

But Ive often thought how strange it is that citizens think we make to much, while risking our lives for people who think we make to much, and they have nothing to say about the clowns who misuse their tax dollars, and are always grabbing more, while taking care of their buddies who in turn are taking care of them. They are the Svengalis in all this. We, all of us, are just the serfs. I bet "they" arent getting laid off.
Doing the fire academy when it comes round next time (rumor has its fall this year  :rock), take my civil service test apply to the nearest paid department, if I dont get a job there I'll keep up with my credentials and wait until my neighboring town goes paid (rumor has it ~5 or 10 years...). Work an ambulance service in the mean time, got a pretty good plan if it works.

take a wander down Fort street, south of the ambassador bridge.......
2 miles of that road could burn and it would be an improvement
This is not the point, even if it is "better" for something to burn, it would not be the civilians looking bad, it would be those who are supposed to be putting it out. Keep cutting the fire fighters, find out what happens. If your fire department pulled up lawn chairs and watched your house or place of work burn, how would you feel? Same thing with this scenario you give...

most firefighters I know dont make close to 60k.  they go way above that.   our city has a lot of firefighters but very few fires.  most calls are for paramedics in which case a firetruck also comes along.  it would cost a lot less if only the paramedic truck would show up.  been proposed many times but the union always goes against it.

there's articles about firefighters making well over 100k a year with some doing over 200k due to overtime.

http://wyomingnews.com/articles/2012/03/11/news/01top_03-11-12.txt
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2012/05/trenton_fire_department_faces.html

and this is a cool news.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/03/30/3849169/firefighters-sue-fort-worth-in.html

firefighters arent getting laid off for lack of money.  I believe there's a lot of waste.

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Re: Detroit Fire department to lose 56 firefighters.
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2012, 05:32:54 PM »
Firefighters are brave men, and a class above the average person.

I don't think laying them off is morally viable.
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