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Offline perdue3

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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #75 on: July 17, 2012, 02:21:38 PM »
Damn Bone that is hilarious. Every time you open your mouth you make yourself look like the dumb bellybutton that you are.  :rolleyes:


You also said.. Another thing I honestly would believe Butcher over you any day of the week and without a Doubt I guarantee he knows more about WW2 History than you.

You do not know Shifty or anything about what he knows about WWII. Yet you guarantee things you have no way of knowing. Again you make yourself look stupid. Keep it up you are hilarious and pathetic at the same time, but I am enjoying the show.  :lol

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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #76 on: July 17, 2012, 02:22:47 PM »
I know for fact I don't know everything on WW2, but one thing I thrive is historical accuracy and sourced information, especially when posting in the wishlist forum I consider it taboo to spew garbage rather then facts.

I ranted on about FSO and had no business about it, I do apologize for my stupidity comments - I am passionate about keeping the historical side of WW2 shown, as many MANY players will never know the history side of this game.

Do I want Historical accuracy? of course - I do know this is a game and nothing more.

I think people know more than you give them credit for. I mean I would even venture to say that the majority know at least enough to get around and are interested to know more. Why else would they be here?
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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #77 on: July 17, 2012, 02:24:11 PM »
I know for fact I don't know everything on WW2, but one thing I thrive is historical accuracy and sourced information, especially when posting in the wishlist forum I consider it taboo to spew garbage rather then facts.

I ranted on about FSO and had no business about it, I do apologize for my stupidity comments - I am passionate about keeping the historical side of WW2 shown, as many MANY players will never know the history side of this game.

Do I want Historical accuracy? of course - I do know this is a game and nothing more.

Historical accuracy is very important. But when the play-ability is lost due to accuracy there is a big problem. Unfortunately that is the case. Ketsu Go is a FANTASTIC example of accuracy killing an event. Absolute worst event I have ever participated in. Why? Wasn't feasible. Accuracy took over and it became late 45 Pacific. Something that is not fun for anyone.
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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #78 on: July 17, 2012, 02:34:52 PM »
Historical accuracy is very important. But when the play-ability is lost due to accuracy there is a big problem. Unfortunately that is the case. Ketsu Go is a FANTASTIC example of accuracy killing an event. Absolute worst event I have ever participated in. Why? Wasn't feasible. Accuracy took over and it became late 45 Pacific. Something that is not fun for anyone.

Which side in Ketsu GO? as an allied player I simply got massacred 3 times in a row, one time had to escort B-29s with Hellcats, another frame we ran into little less then 50 for 6 of us on a fighter sweep.

Not sure if the numbers were way out of balanced, but I do remember Allies were getting massacred (from what I remember anyhow).
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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #79 on: July 17, 2012, 02:38:09 PM »
I know for fact I don't know everything on WW2, but one thing I thrive is historical accuracy and sourced information, especially when posting in the wishlist forum I consider it taboo to spew garbage rather then facts.

I ranted on about FSO and had no business about it, I do apologize for my stupidity comments - I am passionate about keeping the historical side of WW2 shown, as many MANY players will never know the history side of this game.

Do I want Historical accuracy? of course - I do know this is a game and nothing more.

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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #80 on: July 17, 2012, 02:49:31 PM »
still wonder why we cant have the FM2.  I know it served during this time period in great numbers.

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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #81 on: July 17, 2012, 02:51:36 PM »
still wonder why we cant have the FM2.  I know it served during this time period in great numbers.

it was a late war fighter, I believe it started coming around mid 43, same time Hellcat did - it was really for escort and light carriers.
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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #82 on: July 17, 2012, 02:56:24 PM »
How is 43 late war? and if its a late war aircraft how did it get in the midwar arena and oh why do the Axis get to have Kis that came out in 43?

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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #83 on: July 17, 2012, 03:00:06 PM »
How is 43 late war? and if its a late war aircraft how did it get in the midwar arena and oh why do the Axis get to have Kis that came out in 43?

Ki-61 version we had was actually late war, Ki-61 had a few versions, one had 4x 12.7mms other I think pair of machine guns and 12.7s

I don't think we have any FSO scenarios that date mid 43-44 era, Ki-61 is represented here, just not the right version.
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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #84 on: July 17, 2012, 03:05:00 PM »
 :lol You guys take it anyway you want.

Just know this we are not here to argue about the event only to have fun flying it.

Not everyone is out to argue with you over these events so when you come at me with it Just know you will be ignored to the full extent.
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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #85 on: July 17, 2012, 03:39:42 PM »
still wonder why we cant have the FM2.  I know it served during this time period in great numbers.

The FM-2 started service in October 1944
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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #86 on: July 17, 2012, 04:01:55 PM »
I know for fact I don't know everything on WW2, but one thing I thrive is historical accuracy and sourced information, especially when posting in the wishlist forum I consider it taboo to spew garbage rather then facts.

I ranted on about FSO and had no business about it, I do apologize for my stupidity comments - I am passionate about keeping the historical side of WW2 shown, as many MANY players will never know the history side of this game.

Do I want Historical accuracy? of course - I do know this is a game and nothing more.

I don't claim to know everything either that's why I ask my wife leave me alone for the 2-3 weekends I'm writing a setup and the 3 weeks it runs. Because I have to spend so much time in books and on websites researching. There were Allied planes I wanted in this setup but just could not justify in the interest of balance and fun for both sides.

The F4Fs were gone in the Solomons by September 1943 and there were three USN F6F squadrons operating off land bases in their place. However I couldn't justify adding the later model F6F-5. I was asked a P-47 fan why there were no Jugs... Yes Neal Kearby's P47 unit was active in New Guinea by Sept 43 as well, however I couldn't justify adding P-47D11s as P-47D2s and keep the setup balanced.

The Ki-67 a sub for the Ki-49? To me that is not a deal breaker. Yes the 67 is superior but the difference in performance does not swing the balance of the setup to one side, in my opinion.Plus it doesn't catch fire if you give it a dirty look like the G4M and it is a Army bomber not a Navy bomber as the G4m is. The Allies have he A-20G and Boston III both which are fast enough to give the Japanese planeset a difficult time intercepting. To me that is a fair trade off. I really thought if I caught grief this setup the one thing that would do it would be the addition of the Aussie Spitfires. I assumed it would be Spit IXs or Spit VIIIs only to learn through research it would be Spit Vs and contained in a very small area.

The repositioning of Ki-61s.. The IJAAF's participation in this theater historically went from next to nothing to a heavy concentration and then it wained again. I'm trying to represent that with the second frame addition of ki-61s active in the Solomons area in Frame 2 and then gone again by Frame -3. Because of the T-60 time limit for strikes I cannot keep the Ki-61 Rabaul only they had to be allowed to operate from the islands in the South. In fact the IJN bases Southeast of Rabaul on the game map have to act as my Rabaul for this setup. The USMC bases Southeast of them have to act as my Henderson Field, just as the USAAF bases  midway up New Guinea have to serve as my Port Morsby for this setup. I only have so much time to get everyone in the fight. The one historical base that was convenient for this setup on the map was Lae.

On top of all this I had to deny a Navy oriented squad the chance to fly Allied this setup to make the numbers work. G3-MF requested Allied and got assigned Axis. They were disappointed but have handled it with class and we haven't heard one complaint out of them.

Like you Butcher I would love to see more Japanese planes in the planeset. Ki-43s Ki-45s D4Ys B6Ns and Ki44s are needed very badly just to name a few. It is no fun having to use A6Ms for Ki-43s. That's like giving a kid who wants a pet rabbit a guinea pig instead. This was the first setup I know of other than the Rangoon Scenario where the A6M3 was used. Plus it is the first it has been used against against mid war USAAF and USMC. Like I said earlier I expected a little more success out of them than they have had thus far.

Is the setup perfect? No way. Have I made some mistakes? You bet I have. However I will never do a setup where I expect one side to win a certain frame or the entire setup itself. I love WWII aviation history I have since I was a boy and that was a loooong time ago. I try and design these things to be historically accurate as possible yet as fun as possible for both sides. Every Admin guy does Bino Warloc Nefarious and even CAP is working hard to make his first setup fun. This thread has really gotten to the point where it is counter productive. It is doubtful anybody wants to see a squad or even a single pilot leave the FSO.

In AH II there's nothing better than a good FSO night and there's nothing worse than a bad one. We're all going to get our share of both it doesn't matter who you are. Every squad that flys on Friday nights is what makes it special. Its not the CM the Admin guy the setup or the plane. It's the squads that come together fly together and fight together. All the squads Butcher never hesitate to PM myself or any other Admin guy with an aircraft question or observation you have. Yes it's very possible we could over look something. Or at the very least give you an answer as to why there is an aircraft present or kept out of a setup. If you teach us something you're only doing us a favor.  ;)

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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #87 on: July 17, 2012, 04:15:39 PM »
:lol You guys take it anyway you want.

Just know this we are not here to argue about the event only to have fun flying it.

Not everyone is out to argue with you over these events so when you come at me with it Just know you will be ignored to the full extent.
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Yea cuz that is exactly what every Top Gun member's post in this thread has summarized. I have a funny feeling you will reply, thus making "ignored to the full extent" invalid.
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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #88 on: July 17, 2012, 04:19:40 PM »
Understand that the FSO guys or any of the designers always throw out their idea to lots of folks before it ever goes 'public'.  The CM team as a whole gets a look at the designs to offer suggestions, history stuff or whatever.  And there a lot of very knowledgeable history folks in that crew.  And make no mistake.  Shifty knows his stuff.
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Re: Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments
« Reply #89 on: July 17, 2012, 04:29:29 PM »

Like you Butcher I would love to see more Japanese planes in the planeset. Ki-43s Ki-45s D4Ys B6Ns and Ki44s are needed very badly just to name a few. It is no fun having to use A6Ms for Ki-43s. That's like giving a kid who wants a pet rabbit a guinea pig instead. This was the first setup I know of other than the Rangoon Scenario where the A6M3 was used. Plus it is the first it has been used against against mid war USAAF and USMC. Like I said earlier I expected a little more success out of them than they have had thus far.

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