Climate change?

[Skuzzy]

RT, I'll have more faith with the models when they can consistently predict weather/climate 24 hours out.  The worst is they still do not understand why they cannot predict the weather with much certainty.  While it has improved over the last 5 decades, it still has a very long way to go.

Right now, I give all predictions a grain of salt.

[RTHolmes]

weather and climate are different things although they are dependent. we know exactly why we cant forecast weather more accurately or further ahead, these days its commonly known as chaos. its also a problem in climate modelling, although I suspect it wont ultimately prevent us from understanding the mechanism for the freefall into the next ice age, or from giving us reasonable predictions of when its likely to happen. I really hope so anyway.

[CAP1]

It's like a mother-in-law.  No matter how far she is, she still can make a mess of things when she gets riled up.

 ok.....THAT is funny. in fact, i'd go as far as to say it may be sig material. 

[zack1234]

I must thank the AH community for the education discussion that  day after day they provide.

So we all agree America is to blame for global warming?

[Nathan60]

I must thank the AH community for the education discussion that  day after day they provide.

So we all agree America is to blame for global warming?

No, You guys started it with the Industrial revolution, we merely perfected it.

[zack1234]

lol +1

Again Fantastic <S>

[nrshida]

By the way nrshida, my "gas guzzler" will use less gas a year than a daily driven Prius.

Yes I know I am well aware of its purpose. Should be good fun Skuzzy when do you hope to finish it?

Your opinion is not backed by scientific facts. Lots of wind............

You don't even know the foundation for my opinion.

I was being sarcastic on most points, but the arguments stand.

Yes same here.

I'll agree with kilo that it was a well written post BUT one written by the typical poor old soul that bases his "facts" off of junk science, rumors and emotion. I would say that perhaps YOU should get out more and stretch the boundaries of your little world but meh, you obviously think your poop doesn't smell as bad as everyone else s. So enjoy the dark days my friend and I'm sure your psychotherapist can prescribe something to put a smile on your face.

   Well there's the first basically insulting one. The standard run to the stereotype shop with the recipe for insult and devaluation attached. I'd be far more impressed if you'd demonstrated a tiny capacity to think for yourself though.




I never expected to convert the doubters on this issue, only to provide a little international balance (and to take the piss a bit, if I'm honest). If you're going to launch sarcastic threads about this topic on a forum which also has international members then you can expect to get some discussion and derision regarding the subject and your handling of it. External to your rather isolationist culture (I'm sorry Kilo2, but I think this is a fair & reasonable comment) this isn't a minority opinion at all.

Yours is the only nation never to ratify the Kyoto Protocol. The only nation, in the entire world. Yours is also the nation which consumes the most petrol in the world, and yet you only comprise something like four and a half percent (yes, 4.5%) of the world's population.

At least try to think about the implications of this, for just 10 seconds.

You really should consider closing this forum off to international users perhaps, if you want to not have your indoctrinated views criticised or classify the discussion of such subjects as political and ban them.

[zack1234]

Shida! Skuzzy will mess with your source code if you dont apologise.

[Nathan60]

But  you have to consider HOW the petrol is used?  In combines and other farm equipment to raidse the grain that is put on trucks and transported to the train that takes it to the seaport to the ship that takes it  to  a myrriad of 3rd world countries  that is having a food crisis  in which the US is the major food donator, or driving to and from the suburbs to work,(sorry we can't all  live in quaint old world contries that many of are the size or smaller than several of the STATES in the US. fact is many '1st world' countries that like to crow about how much fuel the US uses really dont  have that much of a production base lests just look at the rest of the list of the top users of Petrol http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption wow! imagine that! the worlds  largest users of Petrol are also the Nations that PROVIDE the rest of the world with most of the food, and production to make  the computers to whine about how much fuel the US uses. How can the UK use more Oil than Signapore or malaysia, they have  a more productive production base, and actually provide the world with stuff other than obnoxious nationalistic whine posts.

[zack1234]

Nationalistic ? where did that enter the thread

[Nathan60]

Nationalistic ? where did that enter the thread

Here

So we all agree America is to blame for global warming?

also its ok we can still have pie together just a friendly riposte to your jibe

[zack1234]

lol sorry your right

[Skuzzy]

Yes I know I am well aware of its purpose. Should be good fun Skuzzy when do you hope to finish it?

I am giving myself two years to complete the project.

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You really should consider closing this forum off to international users perhaps, if you want to not have your indoctrinated views criticised or classify the discussion of such subjects as political and ban them.

nrshida, most people outside of the U.S. only have access to people from the U.S. via the news.  This provides a highly slanted view of the people of the U.S.

Unfortunately, the other view is of those who do travel outside the U.S.  I speak from experience when I say, when I travel I am all but ashamed to admit I am from the U.S. due to how many of the U.S. travelers show absolutely no respect for the local peoples they are visiting. I can also state, from experience, those people represent a small fraction of the people of the U.S.

I am pretty well traveled via the military and my career choices.  One thing I have learned from my travels is there are good and bad people, no matter where you go.  Anyone who can state the stats of good versus bad is better read than I am.

The U.S. is also a very young country, by comparison.  It will make the same mistakes many other countries have made in the process of growing.

At the end of the day, there is good and bad, no matter where you are or where you are from.  Lumping everyone, from any country, into a narrow, limited, and/or biased description is probably going to miss the mark by a wide margin.

I am very happy to have an international community to discuss topics and perspectives with.  Sometimes things can get heated, but I would rather have that than no contact at all.

[RTHolmes]

is the US a net exporter of food?

not being fascetious, I just assumed the wealthiest nations would be net importers. we're ~60% self sufficient, and thats the highest % for over 300yrs iirc.

[CAP1]

i'd say that a nation with an absurdly high debt isn't as wealthy as people like to think.