Artillery

[Butcher]

I've been told by YOU, which means nothing. And Lyric can't confirm the range as anything more than 6k, and has yet to confirm that it was indirect fire.

At this point, all I know for a fact about this is that you fired on a base from at least 6,000yds, and that you killshot yourself on an M3. Nothing else has been confirmed yet.

LOL pot chance means nothing, I've killed myself on a friendly more then 4 times beyond 4k away in a Panther, attempting to hit vehicles moving about and i didn't see an icon.
Last time was in a Tiger II I managed some crazy 5k shot on a spawn and hit a friendly, random chances DO happen - I see this as nothing more then a lottery winning.

Pot Luck, your best bet is to buy a lottery ticket and cash it in, I had enough shots in game that were simply "pot luck" - after the first one or two you simply shrug it off or get called a cheater.

[Chalenge]

Frankly Tank-ace I really dont care what you accept or dont accept. You still havent apologized. After I shared a video of indirect fire taking a base down (which is more than you claimed could even be done) you still maintain an air of superiority. I say your just another user. A noob at that.

Keep fishing though. One day you may pull in a whopper.

All the artillery anyone needs:

[Chalenge]

Maximum effective range - def. - The maximum distance at which a weapon may be expected to be accurate and achieve the desired result.

M3 75mm gun: Maximum effective range - 13,600 yards.

Maybe a little tank trainer needs to find another line of work?

[Tank-Ace]

I don't owe you an appology, I expressed skepticism of a rather far-fetched claim, which was reasonable at the time. I'm still a bit skeptical of the 14k distance you've stated, when you get down to it.

I never said you couldn't take down a base without an LOS. I said you can't do it quickly, reliably, and efficiently. And unless you're firing from a pre-ranged possition, with pre-marked firing points, or are firing from a possition of exact known range to a target, and are really quick with a field map and some math, you can't do it quickly.

This makes it inefficient, becuase you have to do a lot of preparation to quickly and reliably hit a target. That in turn limits its usefullness.


Oh, and the M3 tank gun fires the same round as the M1897 field gun, which had a maximum range of 7,500yds.

[Chalenge]

Oh, and the M3 tank gun fires the same round as the M1897 field gun, which had a maximum range of 7,500yds.

In that case you need to message Hitech and tell him his game is coded incorrectly. I mean if you truly believe that to be the case.

I found numerous references to the effective use of the M4A3(75) as artillery with a maximum effective range (MER) of 13,600 yards.

With all your comments about lies and invisible dinosaurs and such... yes you still owe me an apology.

[Tank-Ace]

Let me clarify that: the M3 CAN fire the same round as the M1879 field gun. They also had an HE shell with a larger propellant charge to increase range. And being a field gun, the M1879 was intended to fire at relatively flat trajectories. Its possible range was limited by elevation of the gun.


And no, I don't 'owe' you an appology. I expresed skepticism of a far-fetched claim that has yet to be fully confirmed, and you think I owe you an appology.

At best, I owe you acknowledgment that you can take down a base without an LOS at an unspecified range, which I already have given. Thats all I could get out of your sources so far. Untill one of them can confirm that 15k number, you're getting nothing more.

[Chalenge]

Okay since there is no apology coming from you: You are a liar.

The maximum effective range of the M3 75mm GMC that we have in the game is 9,200 yards due to a limited elevation. You purposely skimped on the figure to improve your "lie." Normally I would call this hyperbolic eupemism but in your case I now know you cannot accept being wrong. However you have been demonstrated to be wrong numerous times in this thread. You should probably go offline and continue flinging pooh there.

The M4A3 75mm we have in the game is limited due to its elevation of 20 degrees (a limitation which can easily be overcome). The round it fires is capable of a maximum effective range of 13,600 yards. That is not the total range capability but it is the MER for that round.

[Tank-Ace]

I've hardly been proved wrong, you damn wind-bag. I said I was skeptical of your ability to do it quickly and efficiently. I don't believe I ever said it couldn't be done.


And no, it wasn't a lie, it was a simple oversight. When I posted the first number, I just used a quick trip to wiki, because I already had a ball-park number in my head, but wanted to confirm it. Later, when I actually got a bit further into it, I saw it could fire an HE shell with an increased propellant charge.


Based on the ranges you've listed (I really don't care enough to go and confirm something you would gain nothing by lying about.), I would guess HTC is using the HE round with the larger propellant charge.

[Ack-Ack]

Tank-Ace would've had a stroke if he was around during the early AW days with HiTech's legendary exploits of using the T-34 for highly accurate indirect fire of targets 10,000+ yards away.

ack-ack

[Chalenge]

I have film of killing an F6F at 9.9k as it spawned but of course revealing it would also reveal how this is done.

[tyronehoza]

Thank you for the info.

[titanic3]

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[Tank-Ace]

Tank-Ace would've had a stroke if he was around during the early AW days with HiTech's legendary exploits of using the T-34 for highly accurate indirect fire of targets 10,000+ yards away.

ack-ack

Theres a difference between being accurate, and being able to quickly and efficiently (as in minimum of wasted shells) aquire the initial target, and then shift targets.

I've never said long-range indirect fire couldn't be accurate. I would be amazed if Hitech could, say, knock out all the hangers on a field from an unknown range and bearing, using just a spotter, and in under 10 minutes and without wasing, say, 30 shells.

I would be amazed if anyone could do it. It might be possible, I'm not saying its not. I'm saying I'm skeptical of the ability to do so, what with the recoil screwing up your aim every time you fire.

I have film of killing an F6F at 9.9k as it spawned but of course revealing it would also reveal how this is done.

See, and this is a big part of what makes me skeptical. Its all these claims, but then no solid proof. While you might be correct in saying that wide-spread knowledge of how to do all these things you claim could be harmfull to game play,you do have to admit it would make a rather nice excuse if someone, say, didn't actually have any tricks to do the things he claimed.

[Ack-Ack]

Theres a difference between being accurate, and being able to quickly and efficiently (as in minimum of wasted shells) aquire the initial target, and then shift targets.

Again, you'd have a stroke if you playing (you weren't born yet) AW when HiTech was because he could sit in any part of any sector and hit anything with a single round with pinpoint accuracy within that sector.  It was funny seeing the whines from people he was vulching by killing them a half sector away with his T-34.  He was able to hit the fuel tanks, ammo bunker, tower and maintenance hangers with no problems.

ack-ack

[lyric1]

Clue for you Tank.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS466US466&q=measure+tapes&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=kc0EUPn9Fc7E2QWal7SaBQ&biw=1280&bih=681&sei=lc0EUIWgJom9rQHHoITCCA

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS466US466&q=mearing+rulers&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=180EUKqyNaTS2AXh1KnIBQ&biw=1280&bih=657&sei=2c0EULyxHpT4rAHf0qXACA