Penn State report

[Motherland]

I imagine the majority of Beaver stadium is filled by locals during the game though, with maybe 10=20% of the seats (10,000-20,000) being true out of towners bringing in outside revenue.

Haha, if you ever have to drive anywhere near the Centre county the day of a Penn State home game, you'll understand how unbelievably wrong you are.

The school is a big issue. Not just the individuals here. The whole atmosphere at psu is part of the enabling that went on.

Direct responsibility falls on the shoulders of a few who have already been, or are in the process of being punished. The 'atmosphere' and importance of football and pride is prevalent at any Division I school, so if you really want to address it and aren't just out for blood then you may as well just shut down the NCAA for a few years.

[lasersailor184]

  So what do you think their motivation was? This is all pretty obvious no? Football is Big,Big money to a University. The biggest cash cow they got.

Thats cause he was afraid he was going to get stepped on. An assistant coach or janitor living week to week is usually a little jittery before going up against, arguably, the biggest power base in the State without thinking it over first. The Founding Fathers didnt really mean "All men are created equal" ; They just wrote it in cause it sounded good at the time. Heck, 1/2 of them owned slaves.
 Oh, thats precious. Dialing 9-1-1 isnt all that difficult.

Obvious?  What's obvious is that the administrators didn't know how to act.  Anything past that is you inserting your irrationality into a situation you weren't involved with.



Dialing 911 isn't hard at all.  McQueary should have.  But he didn't.  

Go back and read this thread... thoroghly. It has been posted over and over. Turning a blind eye like they did changes nothing.

Go back and read the Freeh Report... thoroughly.  Oh wait, you haven't read it at all?  You are spouting off the inanities of others that ALSO haven't read the Freeh Report themselves?

Haha, if you've ever had to drive anywhere near the Centre county during a Penn State home game, you'd understand how unbelievably wrong you are.
Direct responsibility falls on the shoulders of a few who have already been, or are in the process of being punished. The 'atmosphere' and importance of football and pride is prevalent at any Division I school, so if you really want to address it and aren't just out for blood then you may as well just shut down the NCAA for a few years.

State College becomes the third largest town in all of Pennsylvania on a Home Game Weekend.

[grizz441]

As for the comment regarding Hammurabi's Law, this is no where close to eye for an eye and as such it is not relevant, so why add it?  Oh wait, you were shooting for shock value...      

It was perfectly valid, you said "Take away football for number of years that victims were harmed." That's the equivalent to saying Eye for Eye.  Hammurabi reference stands, you were born 4000 years too late

The University also spends significant money to fund sports as well.

Bro, you are incredibly ignorant if you don't realize every penny that funds sports comes from football revenue, including coaches salaries.  There are sports that make money and sports that lose.  The only sports that make money are Football, Men's Basketball, and Women's Volleyball (especially at Penn State).  I don't know much about Men's Volleyball so that might make money too.  The rest of the sports essentially lose money every year and are supported by the revenue from football.  Football revenue shares to the rest of the University.

But, since those programs should be shut down, that money can be used to fund other things, like a victim's assistance fund or education programs to prevent the abuse.  .  

Lol, see above.

The only way to provide victims with sustained financial compensation is from football revenue.

[BreakingBad]

Haha, if you ever have to drive anywhere near the Centre county the day of a Penn State home game, you'll understand how unbelievably wrong you are.

You don't really know demographics, but I think it is fair to say that the majority of seats are filled by fans from the Pennsylvania region.  Either way that's not the point.

The point is that Penn State allowed for this culture of elitism to proliferate unchecked to the point that this sort of thing could happen.  For that the institution needs to be punished severely and serve as warning that the 'big football party' doesn't trump the rights of innocent children.

Penn State has a great academics program, engineering, nursing, science, law, medicine.  It can survive a bit without the big game on Saturday I think. 

Maybe a little reflection wouldn't be such a bad thing.  A little period of 'time out' so to speak, 5 years seems fair.

The only way to provide victims with sustained financial compensation is from football revenue.

Baloney.   You just want the football season to continue and are using that a rationalization.

[grizz441]

It will continue, NCAA can't and won't do anything.

[kilo2]

It will continue, NCAA can't and won't do anything.

I agree.

You don't really know demographics, but I think it is fair to say that the majority of seats are filled by fans from the Pennsylvania region.  Either way that's not the point.

The point is that Penn State allowed for this culture of elitism to proliferate unchecked to the point that this sort of thing could happen.  For that the institution needs to be punished severely and serve as warning that the 'big football party' doesn't trump the rights of innocent children.

Penn State has a great academics program, engineering, nursing, science, law, medicine.  It can survive a bit without the big game on Saturday I think. 

Maybe a little reflection wouldn't be such a bad thing.  A little period of 'time out' so to speak, 5 years seems fair.



Baloney.   You just want the football season to continue and are using that a rationalization.

Oh no doubt the college will survive either way but it is pointless to punish those not involved.

Culture of elitism is easy to say but what do you mean?

[redwing7]

Like who? Since the latest report, there aren't many people defending anyone involved, including Joe Pa.
 

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oh really...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/18/penn-state-students-protect-joe-paterno-statue/

[grizz441]

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oh really...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/18/penn-state-students-protect-joe-paterno-statue/

Yes really, so what if a few students are still defending.  Large and large, he has lost all support.

[BreakingBad]

It will continue, NCAA can't and won't do anything.

Ohhhhhhh yes it can...........And Penn State is on the hook for a boatload of ethical infractions.

The NCAA boss Mark Emmert was quoted as saying he had "never seen anything as egregious as this in terms of just overall conduct and behavior inside a university...this is systemic a cultural problem as it is a football problem"

I don't know what all that means, but if I were a big Penn State football fan I'd be really, and I mean really, worried for their program.

Heck, they gave SMU the death penalty in the 1980's for benefits violations, took the school nearly 20 years to recover.  In this case they covered up child rape!

[kilo2]

Ohhhhhhh yes it can...........And Penn State is on the hook for a boatload of ethical infractions.

The NCAA boss Mark Emmert was quoted as saying he had "never seen anything as egregious as this in terms of just overall conduct and behavior inside a university...this is systemic a cultural problem as it is a football problem"

I don't know what all that means, but if I were a big Penn State football fan I'd be really, and I mean really, worried for their program.

Heck, they gave SMU the death penalty in the 1980's for benefits violations, took the school nearly 20 years to recover.  In this case they covered up child rape!

Going to answer the question about what you mean by cultural elitism?

SMU has no bearing here. Much different circumstances. A couple of high level people either covered up or did not report child rape.

Harsh punishment on people not involved in this instance only serves people who feel like they need to quell their outrage.


EDIT and the video you quoted from NCAA "boss" said nearly the same thing in reference to SMU
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8178854/penn-state-nittany-lions-students-protect-joe-paterno-statue

[Shuffler]

It will continue, NCAA can't and won't do anything.

If so the NCAA will lose face since it is an afront to it's own rules.

[Bodhi]

It was perfectly valid, you said "Take away football for number of years that victims were harmed." That's the equivalent to saying Eye for Eye.  Hammurabi reference stands, you were born 4000 years too late

Bro, you are incredibly ignorant if you don't realize every penny that funds sports comes from football revenue, including coaches salaries.  There are sports that make money and sports that lose.  The only sports that make money are Football, Men's Basketball, and Women's Volleyball (especially at Penn State).  I don't know much about Men's Volleyball so that might make money too.  The rest of the sports essentially lose money every year and are supported by the revenue from football.  Football revenue shares to the rest of the University.

Lol, see above.

The only way to provide victims with sustained financial compensation is from football revenue.

Hamurrabi's Code equates an eye for an eye.  If you think that taking away sports based upon the number of years they kept silent equalizes the crime of staying quiet and allowing the rape of children to continue, I feel sorry for you.  Further, I only added the years of no sports to years of silence to illustrate for you that my 10 year suspension suggestion was not so over the top to begin with.

You can call me ignorant all you like, but you do realize that more than just football money subsidizes sports at PSU?  Obviously, football creates a large revenue stream, but other money is used to support sports above and beyond football. 

Here nor there, you seem to believe you know all, so I am done discussing it with you.

[Bodhi]

To those advocating that the NCAA can not do anything, I'd suggest you refer to the NCAA Constitution for Division 1 schools under Article 6, Institutional Control, specifically: 6.01.

General Principle
6.01.1 Institutional Control. The control and responsibility for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall
be exercised by the institution itself and by the conference(s), if any, of which it is a member. Administrative control
or faculty control, or a combination of the two, shall constitute institutional control.

That more than allows the NCAA to take action.  The NCAA "death penalty" has been levied against 5 schools for conduct far less heinous than that displayed at Penn State and for periods of time up to two years for various recruiting violations.  These crimes perpetrated by Penn State officials to include leaders are so heinous that recruiting violations pale in comparison.  

[kilo2]

I think this conversation is over. It is now obvious to me that no ones opinion is even going to sway including mine.

I hope the NCAA does not sanction the college in any way.

[BreakingBad]

Going to answer the question about what you mean by cultural elitism?

Seems obvious to me the leaders felt the program was more important than victims in their attempt to keep it quiet.

I recall when the story first broke, 'Joe Pa' said of the investigation, 'the board shouldn't waste one minute of time worrying about me'.  Yeah right buddy.  By his leave then, giving permission from HIS hight perch that he was beyond investigation or reproach. 

SMU has no bearing here. Much different circumstances. A couple of high level people either covered up or did not report child rape.

You can say that again.  The SMU debacle involved a pay to play scandal, a relatively victimless crime by the leaders of an athletic program.  This situation is the attempted cover up of children being raped, by the leaders of an athletic program.

I hope the NCAA does not sanction the college in any way.

I don't think reasonable people can agree with such a statement.  One might say that an NCAA 'death sentence' is too harsh, but to say 'no sanctions in any way' in the face of such appalling lapses of basic ethics by the top leadership of a sports program is misguided.