Penn State, Death Penalty or Not?

[Bodhi]

How many students/players were left alone with Sandusky in the shower? The only victims here are the ACTUAL victims! If an rising football star wants to play football without the looming penalties that Penn State may receive, he/she can always go to another college.

The college itself needs to make amends and the best start was ripping down Paterno's statue. That action sends the NCAA a clear message that they are willing to do anything to prevent the 'death penalty'. I feel some of the Administration, McCreary is a good example, will never be able to step foot on or near a college athletic program again, but I don't think the college will get the 'death penalty' in light of their recent actions.

I agree, but I think it is too little to late in my eyes Delerium.  In my eyes, they are doing this to prevent punishments, not because it is the right thing to do.

[Delirium]

I agree, but I think it is too little to late in my eyes Delerium.  In my eyes, they are doing this to prevent punishments, not because it is the right thing to do.

That is my opinion too, but this may give the NCAA the opportunity to avoid handing down a harsh sentence.

[grizz441]

I agree, but I think it is too little to late in my eyes Delerium.  In my eyes, they are doing this to prevent punishments, not because it is the right thing to do.

You really think Penn State's decision to rip down a statue is going to have any bearing on sanctions issued by the NCAA? lol

[Delirium]

Yes.

Like I said before (and all conjecture), I think NCAA is looking to punish the individuals, rather than the whole program and are looking for a way out of doing so. It wouldn't surprise me if the statue was a concession that was agreed upon privately. We all know it will end up being displayed again, probably in 10 years when the public (particularly the media's) memory is weaker with time.

[Hajo]

Reports have it that Penn State will serve serious penalties from the NCAA.  Yes these penalties will be leveled at the Football program.

The penalties are to be announced by the NCAA at 9AM EST Monday morning.  The death penalty is reportedly not on the table.

But insiders report that the penalties may be as bad as if not worse then the death penalty.  including a fine of 30 million up to 60

million dollars on the University as well as sanctions on the football program.  Remember this is conjecture.  Nothing certain until

9AM monday morning.

[Bodhi]

You really think Penn State's decision to rip down a statue is going to have any bearing on sanctions issued by the NCAA? lol

No, I do not think it will.  Had they addressed the issues before the NCAA became involved then they might have been given some leniency, but as I said, anything they do now is too little too late.

[grizz441]

Yes.

Like I said before (and all conjecture), I think NCAA is looking to punish the individuals, rather than the whole program and are looking for a way out of doing so. It wouldn't surprise me if the statue was a concession that was agreed upon privately. We all know it will end up being displayed again, probably in 10 years when the public (particularly the media's) memory is weaker with time.

They took the statue down a few days after the Freeh report came out.  To me it felt like they wanted to be sure that's what needed to be done instead of making a brash decision.  I mean, when should they have taken it down?  When there were unproven reports that Joe Pa might have known about it?  This is a country that you are innocent until proven guilty.  Ultimately it appears Joe Pa did have his hands quite dirty in this, but up until a week ago, he didn't seem to be as complicit in the coverup. 

[kilo2]

Take the statue down!

They take the statue down.

They did not take the statue down right!

[Shuffler]

Forfeiture of games means paterno no longer most winningest coach.

[SmokinLoon]

Compelling retort.

He is right though.  I think this entire story has been blown way out of proportion and all those with the lynch mob mentality against the entire university need to recheck their saneness.   

[Delirium]

See Rule #4

[BreakingBad]

The penalty by the NCAA seems too light in my opinion.

[Bodhi]

He is right though.  I think this entire story has been blown way out of proportion and all those with the lynch mob mentality against the entire university need to recheck their saneness.   

First off, no one has called for rounding up the perpetrators and doling out mob justice, we just offered up we thought were punishments warranted by the actions.  If you honestly think the story of a University covering up the actions of a serial child rapist is being blown out of proportion, I'd definitely look up the definition of sanity, because your usage was off.

[grizz441]

All in All good punishment except for the loss of scholarships.  I never understood this one.  Basically you are allowing the school to give less money to student athletes and the student athletes to pay tuition.  I understand that the end result is lost recruits since some will have to pay, but you are still going to field the same roster size football team.  Some student athletes that do go to Penn State won't get scholarships now.  It's bullcrap.

EDIT: And by good punishment, I mean NCAA imposed punishment.  There is still plenty of legal punishment to come which will trump this.

[Delirium]

Some student athletes that do go to Penn State won't get scholarships now.  It's bullcrap.

The result is the college having players that want to play, but aren't good enough to net a large scholarship. Instead, Penn State can only dish out scholarships per the subdivision limits from 25 to 15 per year. Since Penn State isn't the only college in the country, the star players will go somewhere else. So, Penn State will have a losing team of players that actually WANT to play the game but are attending the college for an education instead of just football... I know, unheard of.

As Emmert said, "We hope we would never, ever see anything of this magnitude or egregiousness again in our lives, but we do have to make sure that the cautionary tale of athletics overwhelming core values of the institution and losing sight of why we are really participating in these activities can occur. That's the balance that every university needs to strive for."

Unfortunately, with the cash cow that college football is, I feel this isn't the first time we'll see a college sweep things under the rug to keep the cash cow alive.

edit: I'm happy with some of the punishment the NCAA handed out, including going after Paterno the only way they could; by stripping him of victories. His entire legacy will have an asterisks next to it and the the civil suits haven't even started yet. The monetary amount is questionable, they are paying the new coach of ONE YEAR $950,000 a year, so I think 60 million is a drop in the bucket.