87G

[Rich46yo]

Can someone translate this for me,

Increased amount of damage done by BK37 cannons on the Ju 87G.  Armor penetration capability is unchanged.

Its a pure tank hunter using armor piercing ammo. So how can you increase the amount of damage it does without changing its armor penetrating capability?

What else does it need to damage? And what else does it need more damage capability for?

[Karnak]

It does more damage to the soft, damage hit point sponge inside the armor of the tank.

[Rich46yo]

It does more damage to the soft, damage hit point sponge inside the armor of the tank.

Thanks Karnak. So your saying it was penetrating before but simply not doing enough damage when it did penetrate?

[Tank-Ace]

Exactly. All rounds fired in the game have a set damage value. A 20mm cannon is about 1, a .50 cal is about 0.3.

Tank AP rounds are generally up in the high double digits, IIRC, though it varries between which gun fired which round. HE rounds from a tank are in the low hundreds usually (again, IIRC).


Basically, what they mean is that the damage value of the BK 37 wasn't high enough to accurately represent the gun's effectiveness in real life.

[Karnak]

All rounds fired in the game have a set damage value.

This is only true when hitting structures.  When hitting units there are many variables that affect how much damage is done.

[Tank-Ace]

I don't think thats entirely true.

It seems that the damage value given is a baseline damage value. As in, it will never do less damage than X at Y range.

However, that can decrease depending on a number of circumstances, and that components of the tank (say, engine for example) can have catastrophic failures that result in the destruction of the tank.

You can two-shot a Panzer with a 37mm, while sometimes you need 3 75mm rounds. Does that mean the 37mm does more damage than the 75mm under the best of conditions? No, it just means that the 37mm rounds happened to hit a location on the tank where the damage done would be particularly effective.

[Karnak]

When shooting airplanes the kinetic energy of the round, derived from its mass and velocity, affects how much damage it does.  This has more effect on non-explosive rounds like the .303 and .50 of course, but all rounds have some kinetic elements to their damage.

I imagine the same is true for AP rounds and the more energy that they carry through the armor the more damage they do to the squishy center.

[Tank-Ace]

I wonder, is the aircraft-mounted autocannons' damage values given on the AH round comparison chart for the HE, or AP rounds, or is it the average of the two?

[Karnak]

I wonder, is the aircraft-mounted autocannons' damage values given on the AH round comparison chart for the HE, or AP rounds, or is it the average of the two?

Aircraft in AH don't have AP rounds unless they are anti-armor aircraft.  So far as I know only the Il-2, Hurricane Mk IId and Ju87G-2 have AP rounds.  Other aircraft have either HE or a hybrid of HE, HEI, tracer and Minengeschoß depending on their historical belts.

[Tank-Ace]

As I've always heard it, 20mm and 30mm cannons have a mix of chemical energy rounds (HE) and kenitic rounds (AP). .50cal and smaller have only kenetic energy rounds.

[Karnak]

As I've always heard it, 20mm and 30mm cannons have a mix of chemical energy rounds (HE) and kenitic rounds (AP). .50cal and smaller have only kenetic energy rounds.

All rounds are averaged.

[bangsbox]

I killed a tiffy from 400 in dogfight (he must have been pissed) with the Stuka 37mm. Later I shot a p40 (friendly) from 800 and I didn't even take dmg but I heard the "you took a whack" sound. It must really lose al
 lot of punch at range I was expecting to explode for my act.

[Rich46yo]

I noticed one thing now. I hit a Few Panzers, didnt cause smoke or anything, but ended up getting the kill when a A-20 bombed them.

Strange. They showed no signs of damage after I shot them with the 87G.

[save]

Imagine how pissed you would be if he did not die with 2*37mm high velocity shells in him 

I killed a tiffy from 400 in dogfight (he must have been pissed) with the Stuka 37mm. Later I shot a p40 (friendly) from 800 and I didn't even take dmg but I heard the "you took a whack" sound. It must really lose al
 lot of punch at range I was expecting to explode for my act.

[Rich46yo]

Well after watching all its rounds bounce off a Panther yesterday I bailed, grabbed an IL2, and killed the Panther along with an Ostie and two Panzers. I think my 87G trial is at an end. The Hurri-D is more fun to fly and just as capable.