change in the ENY

[VonMessa]

wow no personal attacks there von.

How will it improve game play you ask?  it will give people the opportunity to fly ac they have never flown before

They will get free perk rides, also giving them opportunity's they have never had before and thus promoting the game to new players.

It will balance sides out better than the current eny system does.

Well apparently you have had the time to post all day  I haven't seen anything you have said as a detractor from the Idea if you are married to your 51d and are a ace flier then the 12 hour rule doesn't apply to you as you will change countries for the duration of the map thus balancing the sides( much like fester or tosh does already).  Heck I see this idea as a great improvement to the game just cause Von thinks it wouldn't be;)

By definition, that is a personal attack fallacy.  You commented upon my time available for posting (Red Herring) tried to use what you believed to be personal knowledge of my gameplay habits as a point to argue against (personal attack) and then bringing Fester and Tosh into the mix (straw man)

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html

How will it improve game play you ask?  it will give people the opportunity to fly ac they have never flown before

So by default, without this implementation you propose, people can't earn perks and will never get the opportunity to fly perk rides?  That is what your statement implies.

They will get free perk rides, also giving them opportunity's they have never had before and thus promoting the game to new players.

What opportunities do "they" not have right now and how?  How will these formerly unavailable opportunities promote the game to new players?  How will this promotion work?  Will it be part of HTC's next marketing campaign?  If so, you did not outline that in your plan.

It will balance sides out better than the current eny system does.

You have stated this a few times, now.  You have failed to elaborate on one aspect of it and that is the mechanics of how this will balance game play.

[guncrasher]

wow no personal attacks there von.

How will it improve game play you ask?  it will give people the opportunity to fly ac they have never flown before nothing or nobody has denied me the opportunity to fly aircraft I havent flown before

They will get free perk rides, also giving them opportunity's they have never had before and thus promoting the game to new players. if a new player cannot get kills on a spit, what makes you think he can get kills in a 190 or a 109 or the p47.

It will balance sides out better than the current eny system does.  nope, players will either log of switch to other countries.

actually I dont really care to fly most airplanes on the plane set.  your wish is similar to that of "bring back the night".  you will force players either to switch to other countries or log.

semp

[surfinn]

Von I'm not sure what dog you have in this hunt since you very rarely actually fly in the ma now days?????

Ill state it clearly for you and you can disagree if ya want.

countries that win now days do it through hordes. Players are either dedicated to that country or they are not.
If you are a horde country then you are not penalized by a reduction in the short term of midwar ac but rather rewarded with free perk rides after you have won three maps.

Benefits include a range of ac that most of the hoarders cant afford normally and the opportunity afforded to other players to shoot said inexperienced flyers down thus earning great perks for themselves.

This is a side balancer and if you are suggesting that squads like the Jokers Jokers, Alchemist, and the Vs couldn't still operate at the same level of base taking they do now well then you have a very selfish one sided point of view.

Why should I be punished for what my team does you ask???  Your not your free to go to the other late war enabled countries.

This Idea was not about punishing anyone but making it more fun for all.  I've been part of those chewie hordes when I was a new player and my bigest complaint was that there was nothing to shot .

[guncrasher]

surfin, do you actually believe that you have a great idea?  because I am more ready to believe you are just messing around.

not saying this idea is dumb, but it really comes close to it.

semp

[AirLynx]

countries that win now days do it through hordes. Players are either dedicated to that country or they are not.
If you are a horde country then you are not penalized by a reduction in the short term of midwar ac but rather rewarded with free perk rides after you have won three maps. I consider it a penalty if I can't fly the planes I want to in the Late War Main Arena

Benefits include a range of ac that most of the hoarders cant afford normally and the opportunity afforded to other players to shoot said inexperienced flyers down thus earning great perks for themselves. Picking on "inexperienced flyers" seems like it would run off new customers

This is a side balancer and if you are suggesting that squads like the Jokers Jokers, Alchemist, and the Vs couldn't still operate at the same level of base taking they do now well then you have a very selfish one sided point of view. It's not a side balancer, it's a side punisher.

This Idea was not about punishing anyone but making it more fun for all. Regardless of what your intentions are it's still going to punish players for winning a war. I've been part of those chewie hordes when I was a new player and my bigest complaint was that there was nothing to shot. No one is forcing you to participate in Chewie's missions. It's a game, so the point is to have fun in whatever way you can. Your wish would interfere with what I consider to be fun (Flying my 109G14 in the LWMA)

[VonMessa]

Von I'm not sure what dog you have in this hunt since you very rarely actually fly in the ma now days?????

Ill state it clearly for you and you can disagree if ya want.

countries that win now days do it through hordes. Players are either dedicated to that country or they are not.
If you are a horde country then you are not penalized by a reduction in the short term of midwar ac but rather rewarded with free perk rides after you have won three maps.

Benefits include a range of ac that most of the hoarders cant afford normally and the opportunity afforded to other players to shoot said inexperienced flyers down thus earning great perks for themselves.

This is a side balancer and if you are suggesting that squads like the Jokers Jokers, Alchemist, and the Vs couldn't still operate at the same level of base taking they do now well then you have a very selfish one sided point of view.

Why should I be punished for what my team does you ask???  Your not your free to go to the other late war enabled countries.

This Idea was not about punishing anyone but making it more fun for all.  I've been part of those chewie hordes when I was a new player and my bigest complaint was that there was nothing to shot .

Define rare from your perspective, please.

What exactly is a horde country?

Do they not have the opportunity that everyone else has to earn perks?

[icepac]

I'm not sure I have ever been affected by ENY when choosing a plane.

[surfinn]

ok it must be a bad idea there are no supporters so disregard this post. 

[Butcher]

80% of the game population couldn't fly anything higher than 5 eny so I doubt this ENY System would change.

Imagine the cry babies that had to change from a 51D to a C.205?

[Traveler]

wow no personal attacks there von.

How will it improve game play you ask?  it will give people the opportunity to fly ac they have never flown before

They will get free perk rides, also giving them opportunity's they have never had before and thus promoting the game to new players.

It will balance sides out better than the current eny system does.

Another point of view.  I don’t like it,  I pay my $14.99 and want to fly what I want to fly.  Not be limited because other’s could or could not work corporately and now I’m limited with no option.  I don’t change sides because I fly as part of a mission oriented  squad that has never changed sides.  However, your idea may be fun for you and there is nothing stopping you for playing exactly how you want.  You do have a choice, you might start a trend, impose your new set of game rules on yourself and see how it goes.

[cohofly]

Another point of view.  I don’t like it,  I pay my $14.99 and want to fly what I want to fly.  Not be limited because other’s could or could not work corporately and now I’m limited with no option.  I don’t change sides because I fly as part of a mission oriented  squad that has never changed sides.  However, your idea may be fun for you and there is nothing stopping you for playing exactly how you want.  You do have a choice, you might start a trend, impose your new set of game rules on yourself and see how it goes.

As someone who knows Surfinnn quite well, I will tell you all that he flies, almost exclusively, 25 -30 eny planes. So I for one would say it goes quite well for him. Ever met up with him in his FM2?????  And since this is only a wishlist thread I am certain he's not trying to impose a "new set of rules" on anybody.

[Traveler]

As someone who knows Surfinnn quite well, I will tell you all that he flies, almost exclusively, 25 -30 eny planes. So I for one would say it goes quite well for him. Ever met up with him in his FM2?????  And since this is only a wishlist thread I am certain he's not trying to impose a "new set of rules" on anybody.

But if you read his wish, that's exactly what he is asking for, a new set of game rules that would control what everyone's ride might be.

[surfinn]

But if you read his wish, that's exactly what he is asking for, a new set of game rules that would control what everyone's ride might be.

How on earth do you see just your country as being everyone??
My request actually benefits base taking countries. Its only the truly inept that have to fly 51ds and spit 16s all the time that would see this wish as a punishment instead of a a gain. Its a per map occurrence I'm talking about not a per tour occurrence. And oh I take back my earlyer statement I still think its a good idea.

[guncrasher]

How on earth do you see just your country as being everyone??
My request actually benefits base taking countries. Its only the truly inept that have to fly 51ds and spit 16s all the time that would see this wish as a punishment instead of a a gain. Its a per map occurrence I'm talking about not a per tour occurrence. And oh I take back my earlyer statement I still think its a good idea.

surfinn so if the rooks win the war then they fly early war planes.  then the bishops win the war, then they bishops fly early war planes.  then the knights win the war, so now you have all 3 countries flying early war planes.

my question is why not just avoid the hassle and have an early war arena?  heck might as well add a mid war arena too.  that way all of those who are really awesome players can just go to the early war or mid war arena and while those of us dweebs who can only fly p51's and spit16's can just have our own arena.


semp

[surfinn]

I'm sorry but I guess I have to explain the idea in minute detail or your all being deliberately obtuse.

so here goes

Country A wins a map:  They fly mid war ac next map.
Country A wins a second map:  They fly early war ac for the next map.
Country A wins a third map:  They get free perk rides for that map. FREE PERK RIDES, IE FREE 262s ETC.
Country A wins a fourth map  (No advantage all settings return to default)

If at any time in that chain, another country wins the map then the following map resets to all ac and the drive to get to three maps in a row resumes.


Oh and no where in this are you forced to fly a certain plane set. You have the freedom of choice to change country's if you are to inept to fly midwar to early war ac.