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Offline guncrasher

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Re: change in the ENY
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2012, 08:50:54 PM »
I'm sorry but I guess I have to explain the idea in minute detail or your all being deliberately obtuse.

so here goes

Country A wins a map:  They fly mid war ac next map.
Country A wins a second map:  They fly early war ac for the next map.
Country A wins a third map:  They get free perk rides for that map. FREE PERK RIDES, IE FREE 262s ETC.
Country A wins a fourth map  (No advantage all settings return to default)

If at any time in that chain, another country wins the map then the following map resets to all ac and the drive to get to three maps in a row resumes.


Oh and no where in this are you forced to fly a certain plane set. You have the freedom of choice to change country's if you are to inept to fly midwar to early war ac.

and that's why your idea is going to fail.  because you will force a lot of players to switch countries because they cant fly the airplanes you want.   and surfinn you arent that good in your midwar airplane unless you have friends with you :).


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Re: change in the ENY
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2012, 10:30:12 PM »
"and that's why your idea is going to fail.  because you will force a lot of players to switch countries because they cant fly the airplanes you want.   and surfinn you arent that good in your midwar airplane unless you have friends with you ."

Because I WILL FORCE A LOT OF PLAYERS TO SWITCH COUNTRIES.    I think I made it quite clear I wasn't forcing anyone to do anything in this post. It actually gives players freedoom of choice.

THE AIRPLANES I WANT     believe me the last thing I want to see is a bunch of opposing FM2s.
 
The last part coming from you is just well, heck i don't even know what to say about it other than the community knows me and how I fly semp. Which is mainly solo.

I think some of you lame dedicated 51d and spit16 people are under the mistaken opinion,that all of the community is just like you. I think our community is much more versatile than that and could benefit from a progression of new ideas and game play instead of being the brunt of the same old same old that players like you represent.


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Re: change in the ENY
« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2012, 12:46:07 AM »
    I think I made it quite clear I wasn't forcing anyone to do anything in this post. It actually gives players freedoom of choice.





how can they have freedom of choice when you are limiting the plane set?


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Re: change in the ENY
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2012, 04:44:49 AM »
Scrap ENY for all. Good sticks will be good in 262's or equally good in a P 40c.
Bad sticks will be bad in a Spit 16 as much as in an F4u4or 262.
Believe me, whatever the eny state I can crash 262's and Spit 1's with equal aplomb.

Yet again it comes down to the virtual plane driver, and not the virtual plane :joystick:
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Re: change in the ENY
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2012, 05:21:03 AM »
Good sticks will be good in 262's or equally good in a P 40c.
Bad sticks will be bad in a Spit 16 as much as in an F4u4or 262.
Believe me, whatever the eny state I can crash 262's and Spit 1's with equal aplomb.

Yet again it comes down to the virtual plane driver, and not the virtual plane :joystick:


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Re: change in the ENY
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2012, 06:50:43 AM »

No.

It doesn't come down to the best stick irrespective of aircraft?
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Re: change in the ENY
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2012, 07:23:08 AM »
It doesn't come down to the best stick irrespective of aircraft?


No.


That's an extremely simplifying point of view as wrong as say "it's only the plane". In fact it's both. Or do you think I'm posing the same threat to the enemy when flying a I-16 as when I'm flying a Tempest? ;)
No, I'm not. The Tempests speed, firepower, flight time, accelaration, climb do make a world of a difference, and that's basically why I currently  have a K/D of 23 in Tempest vs 4 in I-16. In a I-16 I'm much more limited, almost every fighter is faster (and thus can disengage more easy), many of those faster fighters do even turn better than me and so on. I can't even catch most bombers in AH in that fighter!

In the end, it's the combination of pilot skill and plane performance. A better performing plane is like a better tool. If we were to express it mathematically, it's (pilot skill x plane performance) vs (pilot skill x plane performance). And the more similar the pilot skill of the opponents is, the more important the plane performance envelope will become (and vice versa)
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Re: change in the ENY
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2012, 07:39:23 AM »
And yet your k/d of 4 in an Il6 is better than 80% of players in whatever they coose, irrespective of eny.

Eny would never be bad enough to give you only that option to fly, and by definition the enemy you are fighting it against, and apparently killing, has less eny restriction than you do :headscratch:
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Re: change in the ENY
« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2012, 07:43:04 AM »
And yet your k/d of 4 in an Il6 is better than 80% of players in whatever they coose, irrespective of eny


I don't dispute that, but it's still showing how much of a difference the plane makes. The I-16 is simply not as capable as the Tempest. the C.202 is simply not as capable as the Spitfire 16.
And as the arena is not just about pure dogfighting, it even goes further: The BF 110C is not as capable as the BF110G when it comes to noe basegrab missions.
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Re: change in the ENY
« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2012, 09:01:37 AM »
Scrap ENY for all. Good sticks will be good in 262's or equally good in a P 40c.
Bad sticks will be bad in a Spit 16 as much as in an F4u4or 262.
Believe me, whatever the eny state I can crash 262's and Spit 1's with equal aplomb.

Yet again it comes down to the virtual plane driver, and not the virtual plane :joystick:

I think ENY should kick in harder and faster. Like when there are low numbers in the game and everyone complains  :devil As it is now it barely hurt the team with the numbers advantage. As long as the hordes are around, the harder the ENY should hit.

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Re: change in the ENY
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2012, 07:57:45 AM »
I think ENY should kick in harder and faster. Like when there are low numbers in the game and everyone complains  :devil As it is now it barely hurt the team with the numbers advantage. As long as the hordes are around, the harder the ENY should hit.

Not a bad idea.

Most of the planes that I fly aren't usually affected by ENY anyhow, but the whines would be much better and more entertaining if ENY kicked in faster and harder
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Re: change in the ENY
« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2012, 02:45:29 PM »
ENY as it stands is useless.  My idea was a modification to the system that might actually balance sides. Course that's hard to do with a 12 hour side switch.