Gun control laws do they work ?

[RTHolmes]

cmon shuff, dont let facts stand in the way of a good

[coombz]

When have the US military failed?

despite their size and technological superiority to they have been made to look stupid in Vietnam, Iraq and now Afghanistan...all those millions (billions?) spent on the military and they get shown up by people most Americans would consider 3rd world peasants

and for what? If I had a family member dead from fighting any of those completely pointless wars i would be supremely disillusioned

Vietnam and Afghanistan especially they should have learned from the lessons of other countries in the past.

[bmwgs]

despite their size and technological superiority to they have been made to look stupid in Vietnam, Iraq and now Afghanistan...all those millions (billions?) spent on the military and they get shown up by people most Americans would consider 3rd world peasants

and for what? If I had a family member dead from fighting any of those completely pointless wars i would be supremely disillusioned

Vietnam and Afghanistan especially they should have learned from the lessons of other countries in the past.

The military did not loose in any of the actions you listed.  The issues concerning Vietnam and Afghanistan were the civilian leadership, not the military.  As far as Iraq is concern, in short, Bush directed the military to bring Saddam down, and along with the US allies that is exactly what they did.  He left the tactical decisions up to the military leaders.  The aftermath is not to be blamed on the military but should be blamed on the civilian leaders.

Fred

[zack1234]

Coombzy you have gone barmy

The US won on all these fronts and have stopped the ideologies of radicalism spreading outside the borders of these countries.

All the objectives of containing Communism in South East Asia were fulfilled.

The scale and effect of modern warfare in Vietnam demonstrated to the Soviet's and Chinese the lengths and commitment the US would follow.

That is why today the Russian's sell the most diamonds and gold in the world and the Chinese have investment galore from the Western banking system. (The US won the Coldwar)


If they had not defeated these ideologies you would not be living in New Zealand

[coombz]

Coombzy you have gone barmy

   the US invented Communism when they ran out of Indians

[MarineUS]

Coombzy you have gone barmy

The US won on all these fronts and have stopped the ideologies of radicalism spreading outside the borders of these countries.

All the objectives of containing Communism in South East Asia were fulfilled.

The scale and effect of modern warfare in Vietnam demonstrated to the Soviet's and Chinese the lengths and commitment the US would follow.

That is why today the Russian's sell the most diamonds and gold in the world and the Chinese have investment galore from the Western banking system. (The US won the Coldwar)


If they had not defeated these ideologies you would not be living in New Zealand

I'm pretty sure the idea of Vietnam was to not let North Vietnam run rampant in South Vietnam....What happened there? Our boys in uniform did their job, but in the end; the overall objective was not reached. Vietnam is still a communist country.

The overall scheme was to prevent Vietnam from becoming a communist state. Objective failed. Did it stop spreading? Sure, but it's not like it had much more places to go in that area without hopping on boats.
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Also, Alaska may not have been a state but it was a U.S. territory.

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On topic:

Bystander Fired Deadly Shot, Not Officer

There were two big developments Monday in the case of a motorist who was shot and killed along Greenwell Springs Road Friday after a fight with a police officer.  Investigators say an autopsy shows the deadly bullet was fired by a bystander, not the officer.  Police also announced that no charges would be filed in the case, either against the police officer involved or the bystander who fired the fatal shot into the head of George Temple.

East Baton Rouge Sheriff's spokesman Greg Phares says Officer Brian Harrision was escorting a funeral procession Friday when he pulled Temple over and wrote him a ticket for breaking into the procession.  According to Phares, that's when Temple attacked Harrison.  Police say Perry Stevens was walking outside of the Auto Zone on Greenwell Springs Road when he heard Harrison yelling for help.  Harrison was reportedly on his back with Temple on top of him.  That's when Stevens went to his car and grabbed his .45 caliber pistol.

According to Col. Greg Phares, "[Mr. Stevens] orders Mr. Temple to stop and get off the officer.  The verbal commands are ignored and Mr. Stevens fires four shots, all of which struck Mr. Temple."

Perry Stevens fired four shots into Temple's torso.  Officer Harrison had already fired one shot into Temple's abdomen.  With Temple still struggling with the officer, Perry continued to advance toward the scuffle.

"He again orders Mr. Temple to stop what he was doing and get off the officer.  Those commands are ignored and he fires a fifth shot and that hits his head.  The incident is over with, and as you know, Mr. Temple is dead."

Police are calling the shooting death justified.  Perry Stevens has a permit to carry a concealed weapon.  Col. Phares would not give out any more details relating to the shooting.  Both Phares and Baton Rouge Police Chief Jeff LeDuff stopped short of crediting Stevens with saving the officer's life.  LeDuff says the entire incident is unfortunate.

"I spoke with his father at the scene briefly," said LeDuff.  "I think this is a tragic situation all around."

9 News is told George Temple has a criminal record, and Officer Harrison was involved in a shooting while employed as a prison guard in East Baton Rouge Parish, where he was suspended for three days back in 1995.

Reporter:  Jim Shannon

[coombz]

But what if the tricksy hobbitses come out of their holes to steal your precious?

my son is an orc and my brother in law is an elvish lord so we are protected against those kinds of shenanigans ;d

[zack1234]

Its was called the "Containment policy" in South East Asia. (If you type it into Wikaidiot it may be there.)

Averall Harriman did mention these forthcoming events in his 1956 book "American Diplomacy" i read it while on nightshift in a microfilm factory.

The US makes Aeroplanes,Cars and McDonald's, Vietnam make shoes out of old tyres  they lost.

 

[TonyJoey]

Marine, if you honestly think that any invading country could withstand the roughly 5,000 nuclear warheads we have in stock, and that if they did, Billy Joe and the NR "A-Team" would stop them, then I'm wasting my time. There, there's your smart-ass response; I hope you found it amusing, but also realized the absurdity of saying that the 2nd Amendment will be a detterent to any country in the thermonuclear age that we live in. Also, as far as seeing things from both sides, I posted an essay that I wrote a couple years back in the other gun control thread where I argued the exact opposite of what I was arguing in that thread, and used many of the exact same points you guys guys use, so I'm not sure what that accusation is based in.

[coombz]

The US makes Aeroplanes,Cars and McDonald's, Vietnam make shoes out of old tyres  they lost.

they kicked the crap out of the most powerful military in the world while wearing their shoes made out of old tyres

the US sent boys overseas to fight for a cause they didn't really understand or care about, while the Vietnamese were fighting to preserve their homeland, freedom and way of life, first against the French for years and years and then against the Americans...no wonder they were more motivated

this is way too off topic  

[RTHolmes]

afghan and iraq were about lining a few peoples pockets. job done!

[coombz]

afghan and iraq were about lining a few peoples pockets. job done!

war is good business

invest your son!

[kilo2]

It is fun watching all the backslapping.

[zack1234]

RT and Coombzy have a healthy and free life style because of American Military and Political engagements.

This is rather insulting to all those contributed to defending Democracy and your way of Life.

This smug Liberal stance in regards realpolitics is easy when you have  BMW or Mercedes parked outside.

Chamberlain had the same stance with his bit of paper I recall

[kilo2]

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