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Offline sunfan1121

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #645 on: September 03, 2012, 02:01:59 PM »
I bought a bread knife out of paranoia, not to take on the government, but because the last lot went green!  :old:
We buy guns in the same place you buy bread knives. :t
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #646 on: September 03, 2012, 02:12:17 PM »
We buy guns in the same place you buy bread knives. :t

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« Reply #647 on: September 03, 2012, 02:34:07 PM »
I shop at Aldi :old:
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« Reply #648 on: September 03, 2012, 02:36:05 PM »
zack... What kind of penny pincher are you eh?
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« Reply #649 on: September 03, 2012, 02:42:24 PM »
zack... What kind of penny pincher are you eh?

I require soft fruit products :old:
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« Reply #650 on: September 03, 2012, 02:52:04 PM »
I shop at farmers markets while listening to the archers!
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #651 on: September 03, 2012, 02:54:26 PM »
I require soft fruit products :old:

Aldi's fruit is guaranteed soft :)

I shop there too. Why pay 50% extra for some beans you don't even like.?
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #652 on: September 03, 2012, 03:01:09 PM »
Aldi's fruit is guaranteed soft :)


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« Reply #653 on: September 03, 2012, 03:17:14 PM »
They dont sell firearms in Aldi, but they do sell hose clips made out of cream cheese :old:
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #654 on: September 03, 2012, 03:58:24 PM »
Quick way to settle the whole argument. We'll meet somewhere out in the desert. We'll bring our Gun rights & you bring your....argument against gun rights. Those who leave with their rights intact are the winners.  :ahand  :neener:  :rofl

ok so you want people to respect your right to the second amendment while you try to intimidate others who exercise their first amendment right. 


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« Reply #655 on: September 03, 2012, 04:02:18 PM »
hes just exercising his right to execute people who dont agree with him.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #656 on: September 03, 2012, 04:07:47 PM »
Yet again you are trying to make them collective . They are individual rights . The individual can lose his rights by his actions . No one ever said that it was contrary to the Bill of Rights to take away those rights because of individual misconduct . Sorry RT the legal opinion of brilliant legal minds differ with you . I do to on this . Let me clarify your position though so I am not making a mistake . Above quoted statement <sounds to me but i could be wrong> is that society determines all rights , collectively . Those rights are collective not individual . The collective or society can take those rights away . That there is no individual rights at all ? Love the discussion bro ! Coombzy take note . Intelligent debate without rancor or personal insults .

Individual rights can only exist individually and would have no real meaning except to the individual. As soon as you interact with another individual you need universal rights.   What is true for me is true for you and everyone else.  A piece of paper can not give a right to you. You could only identify a right.

The real question is . Is there right and wrong?  Lets say you have the right to life.  someone can take your life.  If your right to life is true. it is going to require a "universal tea pot in the sky" to make it anything more than mental aggression .

RTs world view is congruent in this respect. You must have a "universal tea pot in the sky" to account for right being true.


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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #657 on: September 03, 2012, 05:07:45 PM »
RTs world view is congruent in this respect. You must have a "universal tea pot in the sky" to account for right being true.

No, you really don't need the teapot.  It's convenient, but not necessary.

Way back in college a few of my semesters were spent in ethics classes, and they basically revolved around discussing and arguing "right" from "wrong" but we weren't allowed to use or consider any religious "rules or beliefs".  We had to argue using other criteria.

If we felt that murder was "wrong", we had to argue it without any religious aspects.  It's still fairly easy to argue that murder is wrong...  If you haven't done so already, read some Plato for a rough idea of how it can be done.

In the end we were able to argue reasons that the "big ten" rules were important even without any consideration for whether a teapot was up there or not.  Essentially, those rules are just simple rules that enable people to exist in a society.  If people break those rules (within the society) it causes internal issues and the society will work to resolve those issues.

The teapot argument only works within your own society.  Since there are many societies in the world, and more than one teapot, the one that any given society chooses can't be said to fully define truth.  Those other societies may have their own teapots, and while their "truth" is just as valid as yours, it may not agree with yours.

When it comes to life itself, I'm not sure I'd argue that anyone or anything has a "right to live". 

A right to defend their life?  Yes, absolutely.  Even a criminal on death row has that right, IMO.

But a right to be alive or remain alive?  No.
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« Reply #658 on: September 03, 2012, 06:14:05 PM »
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #659 on: September 03, 2012, 07:17:30 PM »
hes just exercising his right to execute people who dont agree with him.
He didn't say he'd kill them. He said those who leave with their rights in-tact.

In other words he used an example (you guys can use examples alllll day long to support your theory, but when someone else does; they're being a psychopathic murderer? Hypocrites.)


In other words (let me break this down Barney style so you can understand it), the group WITH guns could force the group WITHOUT guns to shut the hell up, they could make them slaves etc.

For those doing the "bad gubment came an' took muh babeh": If the gun rights were gone, the folks WITH the guns would equate to the government and the unarmed would equate citizens.

For those just arguing to argue: Here is a bridge: ______________

For those talking about whether gun ownership is good: There was an article I posted on page 27 I believe where a man saved a police officer. There was one posted today on a site where a 92 year old man stopped a home invasion with one.

For those arguing about armies invading: Like I said before; "Which is easier to invade; a country where no one is armed or a country where a lot of people have guns?" - It may not stop them, but it would stall them.


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