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Offline Nathan60

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #885 on: September 11, 2012, 02:57:09 PM »
you live in a bank? criminals don't g to houses to shoot it out with the occupant, unless of course there's a contract on you, they go for the quick grab and get out fast.

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Because they KNOW you likely aren't armed and are an easy target? think about how  absolutely easy it would have been for bonnie and Clyde in the UK. They'd still be robin' and stealin' today most likely. UK justice is  an absolute joke  and I'm really surprised the people over there ha vent wizened up and   taken steps to protect them selves.  Guess being a sheeple and stupidly chewing your cud while the world spins by  is  a better alternative to Freedom and  independant thought.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #886 on: September 11, 2012, 02:59:35 PM »
you live in a bank?  criminals don't g to houses to shoot it out with the occupant, unless of course there's a contract on you,  they go for the quick grab and get out fast.



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Guess you never have heard the term "Home Invasion".

Burglars are not the only ones breaking into homes. 

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #887 on: September 11, 2012, 03:00:24 PM »
Because they KNOW you likely arent armed and are an easy target?

I wish that was the case.

Sadly, my dog makes too much of a racket and it is likely that I wouldn't have to deal with anyone in my home...
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« Reply #888 on: September 11, 2012, 03:01:11 PM »
Guess you never have heard the term "Home Invasion".

Burglars are not the only ones breaking into homes. 

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Seems like there has been at least two per week on the news around here for the past couple of months...
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #889 on: September 11, 2012, 03:02:21 PM »
I wish that was the case.

Sadly, my dog makes too much of a racket and it is likely that I wouldn't have to deal with anyone in my home...
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« Reply #890 on: September 11, 2012, 03:06:36 PM »
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Good luck with that.

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #891 on: September 11, 2012, 03:10:16 PM »
Good luck with that.

Any dogs I have owned/trained only eat from my hand and only when I say so.  This has been discussed before.
Im sure I could convice them to take a bite
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #892 on: September 11, 2012, 03:13:38 PM »
Because they KNOW you likely aren't armed and are an easy target? think about how  absolutely easy it would have been for bonnie and Clyde in the UK. They'd still be robin' and stealin' today most likely. UK justice is  an absolute joke  and I'm really surprised the people over there ha vent wizened up and   taken steps to protect them selves.  Guess being a sheeple and stupidly chewing your cud while the world spins by  is  a better alternative to Freedom and  independant thought.

too bad you didn't use your own independent thought process to figure out what I was replying to.   and bonnie and Clyde or England or the tooth fairy have nothing to do with it.



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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #893 on: September 11, 2012, 03:14:12 PM »
I tend to agree with the analogy you used, however I think it is somewhat in error. Gun control is like using the defibrillator on the ambulance attendant who brought the heart attack victim into the hospital. It doesn't work on the real problem but it gives the ones who don't need it an unnecessary jolt and makes their lives unpleasant.

You're right.  I think both analogies are valid.

The way I tilt my head at it, most of the people who are in favor of tougher gun laws mistakenly believe that no guns = no violence.  I think that's dumb.  We're a violent culture, for better or worse.  Taking away guns won't take away the urge for people to hurt other people, it will just mean they'll figure out other ways to do it.

But the real reason to oppose sweeping changes in gun laws points back to what I believe (and I assume many others) is the original intent of the 2nd Amendment - Protection from a tyrannical government.  Despite large segments of our population believing different, we've never been more than a few presidential terms from a government running amok.  If we as a people give the government more control (or allow them to have more) where does it stop?  How do we know that power will never be abused?  We don't.  This is the reason so many we're opposed to the Patriot Act.  Even though I was in favor of it, I could understand the argument.  In the shadow of 9/11, it was an easy call.  I don't want another terrorist attack and the Patriot Act will stop that... right?  If that's true, and the government never abuses the power, it's a win.  But what if...

It's occurred to me many times when debating our rights in this country that the 2nd Amendment is the one that protects all others.  Seems very simple to me, yet there are those that can't see it.

Here's to hoping we can all get along, talk about it, and go shoot our guns afterwards.    :cheers:

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #894 on: September 11, 2012, 03:14:55 PM »
UK justice is  an absolute joke  and I'm really surprised the people over there ha vent wizened up and   taken steps to protect them selves. 

hehehe i know it must be pretty funny living somewhere where the cops don't taze you or beat you up for talking back to them and they don't shoot and kill suspects who are already detained and in handcuffs. what a crazy place why haven't people done something about it?!?!
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #895 on: September 11, 2012, 03:17:37 PM »
You're right.  I think both analogies are valid.

The way I tilt my head at it, most of the people who are in favor of tougher gun laws mistakenly believe that no guns = no violence.  I think that's dumb.  We're a violent culture, for better or worse.  Taking away guns won't take away the urge for people to hurt other people, it will just mean they'll figure out other ways to do it.


Gun control doesn't stop crime or violence, and I wouldn't expect it to. As already mentioned we are a violent species and people will always find ways to hurt each other. But it's not so easy to kill a large number of people with so little effort as it is in a place where guns are widely available.



All I'm saying is don't make it so easy. Country full of guns = country full of people getting shot and living in fear of people with guns shooting them (hence buying more guns :lol )
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #896 on: September 11, 2012, 03:24:09 PM »
Gun control doesn't stop crime or violence, and I wouldn't expect it to. As already mentioned we are a violent species and people will always find ways to hurt each other. But it's not so easy to kill a large number of people with so little effort as it is in a place where guns are widely available.


Reference our most recent attack in Colorado.  The guy had his apartment booby trapped with explosives.  Homemade explosives, that are illegal to assemble... yet he still did it.

Take guns out of the equation, and he still finds a way to hurt lots of people very quickly.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #897 on: September 11, 2012, 03:25:05 PM »
how many people were hurt by his home made explosives?

how many people by his legally acquired guns?
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« Reply #898 on: September 11, 2012, 03:25:54 PM »
Im sure I could convice them to take a bite


I'm sure she would accept your offer...

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« Reply #899 on: September 11, 2012, 03:28:58 PM »
Terrible argument. Of course if someone really wants to hurt lots of people they can always find a way.

All I'm saying is don't make it so easy. Country full of guns = country full of people getting shot and living in fear of people with guns shooting them (hence buying more guns :lol:)

If the bolded part is really your opinion I don't understand your opposition to guns.  You fully admit people will just find another way.  So what, we just keep chasing our tail, taking away options for law abiding people?  To me, your method is treating the symptoms, not the cause.

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