Gun control laws do they work ?

[Slate]

Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year  -  a rise of 89 per cent.
In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.
In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.
The statistic will fuel fears that the police are struggling to contain gang-related violence, in which the carrying of a firearm has become increasingly common place.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html#ixzz26C9ZJinc

  The Gangs didn't get the memo of a gun free society.

[Triton28]

how many people were hurt by his home made explosives?

how many people by his legally acquired guns?

So you're saying he couldn't have substituted a pipe bomb for the guns he used?  

It isn't the method or the tool... it's the fact that the demented SOB wanted to kill people who had done him no harm.

[coombz]

If the bolded part is really your opinion I don't understand your opposition to guns.  You fully admit people will just find another way.  So what, we just keep chasing our tail, taking away options for law abiding people?  To me, your method is treating the symptoms, not the cause.

I don't have an opposition to guns, I have an opposition to making guns easily available. People will always hurt each other, sure...I'm just saying don't have the tools to so EASILY kill a LARGE number of people so widespread in your country.

If you're happy with the amount of people getting shot in the US, fine. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live there though. Yeah, you can buy weapons to defend yourself and your family, but I don't like the idea of living in fear.

edit: @ Slate, just as I won't bother responding to any garbage linked from Fox News, I won't waste my time with anyone who reads the Daily Mail...it's sort of funny when you think about it, although I'm sure the joke would be lost on you

[bmwgs]

I don't have an opposition to guns, I have an opposition to making guns easily available. People will always hurt each other, sure...I'm just saying don't have the tools to so EASILY kill a LARGE number of people so widespread in your country.

If you're happy with the amount of people getting shot in the US, fine. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live there though. Yeah, you can buy weapons to defend yourself and your family, but I don't like the idea of living in fear.

edit: @ Slate, just as I won't bother responding to any garbage linked from Fox News, I won't waste my time with anyone who reads the Daily Mail...it's sort of funny when you think about it, although I'm sure the joke would be lost on you

Your comment is funny.  I have lived in the US for most of my life, and I don't live in fear.  I am a bit curious if you have ever spent some time here.

Funny how you are so opposed to FOX News.  I usually find people that are on the far left take that position.  As for me, before you think I am some FOX groupie, I get my news from various sources including the BBS.  I have found that all media outlets tend to slant in one direction or another.

Fred

[Nathan60]

I don't have an opposition to guns, I have an opposition to making guns easily available. People will always hurt each other, sure...I'm just saying don't have the tools to so EASILY kill a LARGE number of people so widespread in your country.

If you're happy with the amount of people getting shot in the US, fine. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live there though. Yeah, you can buy weapons to defend yourself and your family, but I don't like the idea of living in fear.

edit: @ Slate, just as I won't bother responding to any garbage linked from Fox News, I won't waste my time with anyone who reads the Daily Mail...it's sort of funny when you think about it, although I'm sure the joke would be lost on you

Yet again you completely ignore the fact that a criminal can get a weapon if he wants  and so can a loony get one just as easily and not  in a legal way.  Its funny that you wont reply to  news sourses that people link its pretty nitpicky aqnd seems to indicate you  are not being fair about this discussion and you will not entertain any evidence contreay to your trolling agenda. Yet another reason for this  retared thread to close.  It's pointless as the 2 sides are so polarised no fair discussion can take place.

[Triton28]

I don't have an opposition to guns, I have an opposition to making guns easily available. People will always hurt each other, sure...I'm just saying don't have the tools to so EASILY kill a LARGE number of people so widespread in your country.

You make it sound like they're given away for free on the street corner.  New guns require background checks.  Personally owned firearms can be sold to other individuals without forms to fill out, however, these guns are usually not the ones you hear about on the evening news. 

As for killing large amounts of people, as discussed, there are still other ways to do it.  Making it harder to buy guns will not stop that.  You've admitted as much.

If you're happy with the amount of people getting shot in the US, fine. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live there though. Yeah, you can buy weapons to defend yourself and your family, but I don't like the idea of living in fear.

I'm not living in fear.  I'm living in the reality that you've acknowledged.  There are people in this world, for whatever stupid/evil reason who will at some point try to harm innocent people.  Statistics say I'm unlikely to be one of them, but that's always in doubt.

I believe (and US case laws agrees) that my personal protection is my responsibility.  The state has no obligation to protect me or my family.  They cannot be everywhere I am at all times.  That being the case, I'll take every option I can.

[Nathan60]

And here come ANOTHER circle reply to bring back this discussion to a poiint maede on page 3

[coombz]

I have found that all media outlets tend to slant in one direction or another.

I agree, and have already said as much in this thread.

Yes, I have spent time in the US on several occasions and loved it. Lots of great places (although I obviously haven't been able to go everywhere in the states ) and incredibly friendly people. It always makes me laugh when I reflect on how abrasive and arrogant Americans tend to be on the internet in comparison to my memories of their kindness and general affability in real life. It's weird.

Also have some American 'friends of the family' who we have known a long time who visit and 'vacation' with us fairly regularly. They are lovely people but we find a few things weird such as their inability to go anywhere that doesn't have a large supply of Diet Coke, and the way they get all freaked out by the idea of having to wait for more than 15 minutes for food at what we would consider a real restaurant

Its funny that you wont reply to  news sourses that people link its pretty nitpicky aqnd seems to indicate you  are not being fair about this discussion and you will not entertain any evidence contreay to your trolling agenda.

Honestly what would be the point? I see the same thing on other forums all the time. You've got half the idiots posting garbage from their extreme right wing news sites or blogs, and the other half posting equally skewed material from crazy liberal media outlets. I don't frequent any such websites, so I don't have a never ending source of BS links and news stories to offset all the ones posted here I make up my own mind.

[Nathan60]

I agree, and have already said as much in this thread.

Yes, I have spent time in the US on several occasions and loved it. Lots of great places (although I obviously haven't been able to go everywhere in the states ) and incredibly friendly people. It always makes me laugh when I reflect on how abrasive and arrogant Americans tend to be on the internet in comparison to my memories of their kindness and general affability in real life. It's weird.

Also have some American 'friends of the family' who we have known a long time who visit and 'vacation' with us fairly regularly. They are lovely people but we find a few things weird such as their inability to go anywhere that doesn't have a large supply of Diet Coke, and the way they get all freaked out by the idea of having to wait for more than 15 minutes for food at what we would consider a real restaurant

Honestly what would be the point? I see the same thing on other forums all the time. You've got half the idiots posting garbage from their extreme right wing news sites or blogs, and the other half posting equally skewed material from crazy liberal media outlets. I don't frequent any such websites, so I don't have a never ending source of BS links and news stories to offset all the ones posted here I make up my own mind.

I feel your image of Americans is  grossly sterotypical.  

Thank you for backing me up whats the point of this thread nobody is goinnna change thier mind so its  a circle of trolling. All signs of intellegent life in this thread died  post page 4

[kilo2]

 always makes me laugh when I reflect on how abrasive and arrogant Americans tend to be on the internet in comparison to my memories of their kindness and general affability in real life. It's weird.

Have you considered it could be a response to your abrasiveness/arrogance that you may not exude in person.

[Nathan60]

Have you considered it could be a response to your abrasiveness/arrogance that you may not exude in person.
[/quote I dont find coombyz abrasive I just thin hes a troll.

[coombz]

I usually only start with my abrasive trolling to highlight and mock the typical arrogance and stupidity of gun nuts and their ilk

it's a chicken/egg thing, the arrogant 'we are the only country that matters' posts come first, followed by me making fun of your fluffied up country

edit: HamHawk 

What else do you expect me to do, sit here and actually work?!?!?

[Nathan60]

I usually only start with my abrasive trolling to highlight and mock the typical arrogance and stupidity of gun nuts and their ilk

it's a chicken/egg thing, the arrogant 'we are the only country that matters' posts come first, followed by me making fun of your fluffied up country

Right  please link one thread that indicates this kind of thought.

EDIT: Im working. Look I just data entried this policy into my system

[Tracerfi]

I usually only start with my abrasive trolling to highlight and mock the typical arrogance and stupidity of gun nuts and their ilk

it's a chicken/egg thing, the arrogant 'we are the only country that matters' posts come first, followed by me making fun of your fluffied up country

edit: HamHawk 

What else do you expect me to do, sit here and actually work?!?!?

[Nathan60]

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You are welcome. Ive seen you use this many times since I posted it. Thats fine I gave of it freely