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Offline Ardy123

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2012, 06:11:31 PM »
Given how the F4u turns as tight as spits with its marvelous flaps in here, anything vs the f4u favors the f4u, justabout!

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2012, 07:42:55 PM »
No real contest there... While in reality the C202 was noted as more manueverable than a spitV, in this game it is woefully far worse. The spit holds all the cards, including firepower, acceleration, turn capability, stall handling (it doesn't stall, whereas the C2 has a horrific stall at rather high speeds). The only thing the C2 has is higher top speed at certain alts. Unless the C2 picks and BnZs the entire fight, it's going to lose.

A c202 vs a spit5 is a dead c202, with equal pilots.


I've flown this match quite a bit.  It is a real challenge for the 202 pilot, as Krusty says.  Most Spit pilots are so accustomed to flat turns that you can often use the vertical successfully against them...but then, of course, you aren't matching equal pilots.

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2012, 04:19:03 AM »
I dont buy the La5 vs 190 a5.  In real life, yes,  in AH the a5 will just depart & spin, depart & spin while trying to turn with the La5. Also the La5 is the 3rd fastest accelerating plane (non perk)
and the A5 is lucky if it's in the top 10 or 15. The real 190s had ailerons designed in such a way (dont know if its the chord or length, or what) that would prevent unintentional snaprolling in low speed turnfights. We had a real 190 Ace on the boards a few years back that said as much.  :rock
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2012, 08:15:18 AM »

I've flown this match quite a bit.  It is a real challenge for the 202 pilot, as Krusty says.  Most Spit pilots are so accustomed to flat turns that you can often use the vertical successfully against them...but then, of course, you aren't matching equal pilots.

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2012, 08:44:09 AM »
The KI would own the FM-2 easily.  :)

Not quite :) all the FM-2 has to do is make the Ki think he can win a turn fight. He gets sucked in and then the advantage turns.

Plus the Wildcat isn't as victimized by the BnZ as most may think  ;)
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2012, 09:15:11 AM »
Correct me if I am wrong, but historically the Spitfire Mk V rather manhandled the C.202 as I understand it.

No idea, but I believe it.

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2012, 10:39:57 AM »
Not quite :) all the FM-2 has to do is make the Ki think he can win a turn fight. He gets sucked in and then the advantage turns.

Plus the Wildcat isn't as victimized by the BnZ as most may think  ;)

trust me when I say the KI will easily kill a Fm2.....I have smoked the best there is in it every time we have fought, and Not from BnZing him.... :aok

I would be more then happy to show you how deadly the KI is....the only plane in the hanger that is a match for the KI is the spits and then the spit driver better be damn good.

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2012, 12:19:23 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong, but historically the Spitfire Mk V rather manhandled the C.202 as I understand it.

I believe you're wrong. The Italians were very happy to have a plane that could best the SpitVb on even terms. They reported it was more than a match overall and equally maneuverable as the the spitfire enemies they were up against.

It was said to be able to turn with hurricanes, as well. Far cry from our version.

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2012, 12:53:38 PM »
No real contest there... While in reality the C202 was noted as more manueverable than a spitV, in this game it is woefully far worse. The spit holds all the cards, including firepower, acceleration, turn capability, stall handling (it doesn't stall, whereas the C2 has a horrific stall at rather high speeds). The only thing the C2 has is higher top speed at certain alts. Unless the C2 picks and BnZs the entire fight, it's going to lose.

A c202 vs a spit5 is a dead c202, with equal pilots.
I'll have to say maybe by facts and figures your right but in game they are a very good fight Co E. C202 is a beast in a dogfight
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2012, 01:06:38 PM »
I'm very fond of the C.202 in this game. I've landed many sorties with high volume of kills. My claim of fame to my squadmates was landing 12 in a single MA sortie with 1 hotpad halfway through. I've gotten upwards of 10 at other times too.


Against a SpitVb it is woefully outclassed in every way. If you beat a spit while flying a C2 he either wasn't looking at you or he sucked (which is quite common as the lesser skilled newbies seem to gravitate towards spits). Doesn't mean the C2 is any more capable, just that you were better.

Against later planes, it has a few minor advantages, namely it can out-turn some faster planes that have worse turn radii, but against a spit? You're in trouble when it's a 1v1 fair fight.

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2012, 01:10:09 PM »
An F4U vs spit is usually fun to
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2012, 01:16:43 PM »
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2012, 01:17:37 PM »
What the Italians claimed and what actually happened may have been two very different things.  The reports I have read do not paint a good exchange rate for the C.202 when engaging Spitfire Mk Vs over Malta.  Personally I suspect that regardless of what other performance aspects the C.202 may or may not have had over the Spitfire Mk V, like other early Italian fighters its lack of firepower doomed it as an effective warplane.
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2012, 01:24:39 PM »
What the Italians claimed and what actually happened may have been two very different things.  The reports I have read do not paint a good exchange rate for the C.202 when engaging Spitfire Mk Vs over Malta.  Personally I suspect that regardless of what other performance aspects the C.202 may or may not have had over the Spitfire Mk V, like other early Italian fighters its lack of firepower doomed it as an effective warplane.

Well, to pull from Wiki:

Allied pilots who flew against the Folgore were impressed with its performance and manoeuvrability.[30] The Macchi C.202 was considered superior to both the Hawker Hurricane and the Curtiss P-40 Kittyhawks it fought against, at first on the Libyan front, and the equal of the Spitfire Mk. V. The C.202 was able to out-turn all three although the Spitfire had a superior rate of climb.[31]

I've read some other accounts as well. I'll see what I can dig up.

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2012, 02:42:18 PM »
I enjoyed fighting pretty much anything in the 4hog in the DA (provided it was a fight, not a chase). A good match up for me was shida in his Ki
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