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Offline 1pLUs44

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Any of you guys good at recognizing statues
« on: August 29, 2012, 03:39:57 PM »



This is a picture of my grandfather at some point during the second world war. He was in the 45th Infantry Division from the beginning of the war to the end (G Co. 180th Infantry regiment)

My dad and I are finally starting to put together some of his old war letters and photos and we can't seem to find out where this picture was taken. I googled around but I haven't seen anything familiar and I was wondering if anybody may be familiar with where this statue is located so we can have a good idea of when this picture was taken.


Edit: There appears to be some kind of writing on the statue (Le Lura, or something like that) that I thought I should point out. I searched the phrase but still couldn't find anything.
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Re: Any of you guys good at recognizing statues
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2012, 03:42:31 PM »
Wow that is really cool sir!!  :O ,i'll be sure to let you know if i can find anything, thanks for sharing  :salute  :cheers:
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2012, 04:25:21 PM »
Did some digging Pluss.

Found out some pretty interesting stuff.

That photo, by the Phrase and the Architecture, and by looking at the 45th's service record. Was probably taken during Operation Dragoon, The invasion of the Southern Coast of France (ordered by Churchill) after the Italian Campaign.

If its not there its definitely Italy somewhere. Its Christian definitely, possibly near a building of official function like a Church or Monastic Library or maybe Town Hall.

My guess would be one of three places.

Comiso in Sicily, Salerno in Italy, Or Grenoble in Southern France. Or at least towns and counties in the area of those places. The Tiered Construction of the building behind him suggests French though. But Im not an expert.

Start looking near or around one of those places.

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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2012, 04:35:20 PM »
It kinda looks like there's some writing on that statute.  
Keep us posted if find out where this was taken.  Love a good mystery.

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Edit:  didn't notice the OP's edit, before I replied.
Good luck.


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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2012, 04:36:34 PM »
It kinda looks like there's some writing on that statute. 
Keep us posted if find out where this was taken.  Love a good mystery.

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yeah it means 'The Lura'

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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2012, 04:48:45 PM »
Building look like UK to me.  :old:

There is Lion n Chicago with the same buildings as well.

It looks like someone is on its back.
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2012, 05:05:12 PM »
There is Lion n Chicago with the same buildings as well.

It looks like someone is on its back.

There are 2 Lions at the Art Institute of Chicago.

 Lions at the Art Institute of Chicago

Flanking the entrance to the Art Institute of Chicago, Edward Kemeys' lions are among the city’s most beloved and recognizable sculptures. A largely self-taught artist who became famous for his sculptures of wild animals, Edward Kemeys (1843-1907), established a studio in Chicago in 1892. The following year, the World’s Columbian Exposition in Jackson Park showcased twelve of his sculptures in plaster including massive jaguars, bears, and bison. At the fair, Kemeys’ lions were placed at the entrance to the Fine Arts Palace (now the Museum of Science and Industry). Mrs. Henry Field donated the funds to recast the lions in bronze and install them in front of the Art Institute’s new building in Grant Park in 1894.


Prior to their official dedication, the Chicago Tribune reported that Kemeys said that the lions were "conceived as guarding the building.” He explained that the south lion is “attracted by something in the distance which he is closely watching,” and that the north lion “has has back up, and is ready for a roar and a spring.” Kemeys was considered the leader of the American animaliers, a movement that began in France in the mid- nineteenth century in which artists studied living animals to produce their sculptures.

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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2012, 05:11:45 PM »
It looks like someone is on its back.

biggest clue right there, well done Watson! :aok
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2012, 05:44:13 PM »
It is one of the statues on the Pont Alexandre III bridge in Paris.   
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Re: Any of you guys good at recognizing statues
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2012, 06:29:39 PM »
I would have guessed the Feldherrnhalle in Munich, but on closer inspection I think not.

There is a French department called "Le Jura", closest thing that springs to mind, apparently there's also a Swiss canton by that name. Web says the 45th ID passed through Besancon, which is the capital of the Jura department. Architecture seems a touch grand for Besancon though, it's a country town.

Alternatively, La Lura is a river in Italy, it seems, up in the hills north of Milan.
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2012, 06:46:29 PM »
It is one of the statues on the Pont Alexandre III bridge in Paris.   

The buildings surrounding it don't match. But very similar though.
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Re: Any of you guys good at recognizing statues
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2012, 08:10:32 PM »
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This is a picture of my grandfather at some point during the second world war. He was in the 45th Infantry Division from the beginning of the war to the end (G Co. 180th Infantry regiment)

My dad and I are finally starting to put together some of his old war letters and photos and we can't seem to find out where this picture was taken. I googled around but I haven't seen anything familiar and I was wondering if anybody may be familiar with where this statue is located so we can have a good idea of when this picture was taken.


Edit: There appears to be some kind of writing on the statue (Le Lura, or something like that) that I thought I should point out. I searched the phrase but still couldn't find anything.

Looks a bit like Holkham Hall



Maybe a start...

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Re: Any of you guys good at recognizing statues
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2012, 09:42:12 PM »
Can't wait to see what all turns up
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Re: Any of you guys good at recognizing statues
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2012, 10:08:25 PM »
Looks a bit like Holkham Hall

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Maybe a start...

That one and the one at the Art Institute look very similar, but there are some differences I can still see (tail length/position, also it seems the lion is at the top of a staircase instead of the bottom of one).

 I'm looking far and wide at this point. I might contact the 45th Infantry Div. Museum historian to see if he might recognize the area. We took a road trip up there about a month ago and got the pleasure of being invited into the library room and got to look at some old after action reports and we looked in a 1938 Division year book (I think that's what it's called) and we've been trying to organize it and send it to the guy. He also talked to us about a new book that a fellow by the name of Alex Kershaw wrote that's about to be released and explained the story behind it (Sounds like a really good one too!) and we'll soon have our own copy once it's released.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Liberator-Soldiers-500-Day-Odyssey/dp/0449012638


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   From July 10, 1943, the date of the Allied landing in Sicily, to May 8, 1945, when victory in Europe was declared – the entire time it took to liberate Europe – no regiment saw more action, and no single platoon, company, or battalion endured worse, than the ones commanded by Felix Sparks, who had entered the war as a greenhorn second lieutenant of the 157th “Eager for Duty” Infantry Regiment of the 45th “Thunderbird” Division.  Sparks and his fellow Thunderbirds fought longest and hardest to defeat Hitler, often against his most fanatical troops, when the odds on the battlefield were even and the fortunes of the Allies hung in the balance – and when the difference between defeat and victory was a matter of character, not tactics or armor.

   Drawing on extensive interviews with Sparks and dozens of his men, as well as over five years of research in Europe and in archives across the US, historian Alex Kershaw masterfully recounts one of the most inspiring and heroic journeys in military history.  Over the course of four amphibious invasions, Sparks rose from captain to colonel as he battled from the beaches of Sicily through the mountains of Italy and France, ultimately enduring bitter and desperate winter combat against the diehard SS on the Fatherland’s borders.  Though he lost all of his company to save the Allied beach-head at Anzio and an entire battalion in the dark forests of the Vosges, Sparks miraculously survived the long bloody march across Europe and was selected to lead a final charge to Bavaria to hunt down Adolf Hitler.

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Re: Any of you guys good at recognizing statues
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2012, 10:36:44 PM »
It is one of the statues on the Pont Alexandre III bridge in Paris.  

To further expound on this.   I cracked open an old book from college, in the basement.   That appears to be a Bronze statue of "Lion Qui Marche" by Antoine-Louis Barye, or at least a version of it.
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