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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #90 on: October 05, 2012, 11:00:45 PM »
I wouldnt let the differences in rifle slings, fore ends, magazines, rails, etc, lead you to believe that this guy is fake.  So many commercial companies are throwing their gear at the US military for "trial" purposes, or there may be tons of back orders on official stuff that in turn allows variances on different items to be used.  PLUS... I know for a fact that soldiers over their are having their families send them things to help with their duties that the military does not issue or does not issue enough of (lip ice w/ sunblock, tan colored tape and/or spray paint, silly string, wet wipes, etc).  Gloves are one item that the military allows much leeway on.  When you're crawling around on rocks all day protecting your hands is important, neoprene or other such rubber gloves do the trick nicely. 

The mag in the first photo is a "PMag" made here in the US by a company called Magpul.  They've developed an entire line of items to "enhance" the M16 and M4 series of weapons.  The soldier that is the topic of this video is using a standard USGI STANAG (STAdard NAto Gear) magazine.  Both are fine magazines and work well, the British just placed an order of 100,000 of the PMags for their SA80's.  The slings are of a newer design and a huge improvement over the standard strap that went from buttstock to front sight.  Both of the designs allow the rifle to hang freely at the front of their person and the need to sling it over the should is eliminated.  The optical sight is a 4x Trigicon TA31, they are an optic of the highest quality and each sight alone is worth $700 or so on the commercial market (I own that exact model).

I can not comment on the grenade launcher, but nothing seems too out of place on that.  My biggest question is why did he not lob a few of them in?  It has a max range of 400 yards, yes?    
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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #91 on: October 06, 2012, 11:48:44 AM »
4th I.D Headquartered  Ft. Carson Co.
4th Brigade Combat Team redeployed from Afghanistan 9/15
Could be a training area on Carson.
String is also visible in other pictures there.

                                                                        

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Already told you guys that was NOT on Fort Carson or any of their Colorado training ranges.

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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #92 on: October 06, 2012, 12:48:25 PM »
If it's any consolation, the local news group here apparently spoke to the soldier in question and confirmed the video.

If you can find it on their website, be my guest (http://www.wctv.tv) I can't find it, I just saw it on the television.
Like, ya know, when that thing that makes you move, it has pistons and things, When your thingamajigy is providing power, you do not hear other peoples thingamajig when they are providing power.

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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #93 on: October 06, 2012, 03:09:16 PM »
4th I.D Headquartered  Ft. Carson Co.
4th Brigade Combat Team redeployed from Afghanistan 9/15
Could be a training area on Carson.
String is also visible in other pictures there.

                                                                       

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One of the 4th ID. BCTs replaced 3BCT 25th ID in the spring time, in the Kunar Province.....going a long way to make a fake TIC video....
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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #94 on: October 07, 2012, 12:44:43 PM »
I'm completely convinced as well....


I haven't a clue, but this is all fascinating as hell :aok
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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #95 on: October 08, 2012, 03:02:28 AM »
dumb question, but what's that reddish band going from the top turret on the sight to the front of the sight? Is that a scope cap?

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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #96 on: October 08, 2012, 10:36:38 AM »
dumb question, but what's that reddish band going from the top turret on the sight to the front of the sight? Is that a scope cap?

Fiber optic light gathering device so he doesn't need to use batteries during daylight hours on the scope for lighted reticle.
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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #97 on: October 08, 2012, 11:08:46 AM »
Fiber optic light gathering device so he doesn't need to use batteries during daylight hours on the scope for lighted reticle.

There are no batteries in an ACOG TA31.  However, that strip of red certainly is a piece of fiber optic that gathers light.  It lights up the "donut" or triangle that serves as an aim point during day light hours.  The sights uses tritium at all times but it is so dull during daytime that an extra boost is required to light itself up, hence the red fiber optics (green can be had, too).  Check out Trijicon's website for more info:  http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product1.php?id=ACOG    

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btw... I've been hearing some people call BS on the account of body armor "not stopping AK rounds".  For you folks trumpeting that cause may I suggest you investigate the efficiency of a bullet as it travels downrange, especially to 400-600 yard mark.  You'd be surprised at what can stop an AK bullet that is only moving 500-700fps.  Same goes for a 5.56 NATO bullet as well.  In the world of down range performance (600 yds +) the Russian 7.62X54R and the 7.62 NATO reign supreme in terms of personal weapon cartridges.  :aok   
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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #98 on: October 08, 2012, 08:09:44 PM »
IK personally cover the silly red crap....makes the site too bright
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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #99 on: October 08, 2012, 08:16:52 PM »
IK personally cover the silly red crap....makes the site too bright
Electrical tape all day.
Like, ya know, when that thing that makes you move, it has pistons and things, When your thingamajigy is providing power, you do not hear other peoples thingamajig when they are providing power.

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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #101 on: October 08, 2012, 09:32:27 PM »
An idiot

I only watched half the video, up to the point where he got hit then cried for the rest of it saying that he was hit.  First off, when is it in your right mind is it alright to stand up and start shooting in an open area like that?  Secondly, where in the hell was his fire team?  Even though I'm an air winger in the Marine Corps, in an open firefight like that, my first reaction would be to drop down and start laying rounds down range, while looking into the sight. I'm not about to shoot rounds and waste them if you can see where your shooter is. Next thing I would do would either be to find cover, while my fire team was suppressing fire, or I would be suppressing fire for my buddies to find cover.  There is a little ditty that they taught us in boot camp, "I'm up, they see me, I'm down"  Basically, you jump up, you run a few feet then drop back down.  You run that ditty in your head every time you maneuver under fire.  By the time you found cover or your buddies did, you start hitting the targets, with accurate shots.


This guy completely forgot his training, and suffered the price for it.



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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #102 on: October 08, 2012, 10:17:33 PM »
 Even though I'm an air winger in the Marine Corps,
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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #103 on: October 08, 2012, 10:37:37 PM »
An idiot

I only watched half the video, up to the point where he got hit then cried for the rest of it saying that he was hit.  First off, when is it in your right mind is it alright to stand up and start shooting in an open area like that?  Secondly, where in the hell was his fire team?  Even though I'm an air winger in the Marine Corps, in an open firefight like that, my first reaction would be to drop down and start laying rounds down range, while looking into the sight. I'm not about to shoot rounds and waste them if you can see where your shooter is. Next thing I would do would either be to find cover, while my fire team was suppressing fire, or I would be suppressing fire for my buddies to find cover.  There is a little ditty that they taught us in boot camp, "I'm up, they see me, I'm down"  Basically, you jump up, you run a few feet then drop back down.  You run that ditty in your head every time you maneuver under fire.  By the time you found cover or your buddies did, you start hitting the targets, with accurate shots.


This guy completely forgot his training, and suffered the price for it.



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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #104 on: October 08, 2012, 10:49:13 PM »
An idiot


This guy completely forgot his training, and suffered the price for it.



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Correct on all accounts except his fire team was probably doing the right thing in that situation. Open terrain your movement formations open up, since he is regualr Army Infantry his team was probably wedged out.(I used the diamond for my team just because of the terrain and tactics we were in) So the rest of his team could have easily been 35-40 meters away because of the open space....depending on the Team Leader/Squad Leaders SOPs.

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People also need to remember that helmet cams dont pick up noise very well
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