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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2012, 08:14:27 PM »
People who have been shot at in real life are saying the kick-ups and sounds seem fake. I agree with their opinions...
Personally the sounds of guns aren't what I heard....I personally was giving out fire commands and looking for targets.....
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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2012, 09:08:03 PM »
Understood Stealth, thank you for the clarifications as well everyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyk7e0VMwmw

Check this video out.  Notice at 2:15 the incoming rounds, and the snap coinciding with the impacts into the soft vertical wall (you can barely see the impacts due to the material they are hitting).  Then notice that the "thump" of the rifle fire is 1/2 to 2/3 of a second AFTER this sound.  Much different then the BS video.  There is also DOZENS of helmet cam videos on Funker's site that are excellent.  Each of them has a notation of the unit involved at the very LEAST, and in some cases much more information, such as the location, and the exact troops involved.  They also have other faces, voices, much larger dust sprites - a lot of things this staged video being discussed doesn't.

Also I agree with Junky in some respects, I've not always heard the incoming fire either being mostly inside a vehicle when it's began, and if you are wearing any kind of a headset system it becomes much harder.  The headset I used would block out a lot of really loud stuff, and amplify the quieter sounds, which can screw up your sense of sound as well if that feature is enabled.  That said, I've heard a lot of fire without anything on my ears both outgoing and incoming, just not all the time depending on the circumstances.

As for the arguments for and against the sounds/dust, these are just a small part of my argument against the authenticity of the video.  Remember, these strikes COULD be coming from a real military rifle or MG - my point is that I don't believe that whatever made them is coming from the Taliban in the hills in the distance where this guy was shooting, that they originated from an accomplice behind him.  It's very easy with a large caliber paintball or airgun even to make those close strikes by his feet, and even easier to replicate the ones further away.

I STILL can't believe ANYONE can buy that hit on his m203 when he rolls/flips the rifle from his hands, then doesn't check himself once in over a minute while claiming "he's hit" a dozen times vocally.  Also, I don't know of anyone who has been hit by 4 different bursts of fire, one of them in the head, and not gotten a "scratch" as he claims.  I mean seriously, what are the odds of being hit FOUR times in about two minutes or less, all in different locations, and having everyone hit either your front/rear plate, or your helmet.  Ridiculous.



Also, yes I know Anderson Cooper did a spot on this.  Dara Brown at MSNBC was the first reporter to do a "wide" story on this.  This is the reason FOX news has been foaming at the mouth the last 24 hours and called me half a dozen times since I tipped them off regarding this- they want to make their competitors look stupid, as they apparently haven't ran a wide story on this yet like they did.  Yet for some strange reason, with all the investigating power at their command, they STILL cannot get a response regarding the authenticity, origin, or even the name of the unit or location this video apparently occurred.  A little strange for a "real" video, don't you think?  With one of the major news agencies involved, I'm confident the facts and truth will come to light, very shortly as well.  I know Funker530 is a Canadian, and I think that he was just duped by this video, and didn't intentionally post it knowing he would make some extra money and exposure, as every single other video I've seen of his appears legit.  The reason they appear legit is they have NONE of the problems or issues described regarding this staged video.

Anyhow, I respect everyone's opinion to BE their opinion, and there IS logic in saying that calling this video out to be BS without absolute proof is wrong, and as I said from post number 1, if I'm wrong, hey, I'm wrong and my instincts and process failed me, but I do believe I'm correct.

The truth will come out, it always does.  As far as the "reduction" in rank Junky mentioned, if this guy IS a soldier and just made this video up as a laugh and it got loose, I'd say he may be facing some serious punishment as well.  If he intentionally claimed to Funker when he sent this in to him that he's a hero for saving his unit that was under fire, I bet there is a court martial over it (I'm not US Army, so I don't know the criteria, but in the Canadian Army he would be for sure).  I feel badly for Funker, as his little site he has going is an excellent collection of videos of troops under fire, and I only wish he would have taken the time when I first asked him a bunch of questions regarding this video to answer them.  He could have easily gotten the video down long before it went viral and ended up on national news while he checked out who sent it to him, and from where etc.

Final Points of the day:  He claims he was doing "recon on the village to gather intel" or some such nonsense.  Recon insinuates this was an intel gathering operation.  Is the US Army real big on letting films made for intel gathering purposes hit UTube?  For that matter, would a recon element get into a protracted firefight in the first place and not bug out, or at least try to?  Recon Guys I know have all said that this is contrary to what recon does in the first place.

Also, head direction.  Notice how he keeps his head down and forward as much as possible, even when calling out to others?  "hey, I'm moving down the hill" or "lay down some effing fire".   Wouldn't you turn your head, even slightly towards the direction you were yelling?  No, his head stays pointed straight downhill, not even really towards his 'arc', and doesn't move once while calling out to others.  The reason I believe is that there IS no others there for him to be calling.  Just think about it - when you yell at somebody, no matter the circumstance, you turn your head towards them by human nature - you don't look away from them then call out.  Do you?  Watch any other video of guys under fire using yelling out vocal commands or information - their heads always turn up the line, or in the direction of the person they want to call the information too.  Yet helmet cam man in this video doesn't. 
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« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2012, 09:31:48 PM »
I've watched that video multiple times now and I'm not seeing any BS.  When the enemy rounds impact that kick up dust and the dust carries off in the wind.  You can see the dust and rocks kick up plain as day.  As far as NATO vs Com-bloc weapons fire, if the thought ever crossed people's minds that the baddies could have gotten their hands on a gimpy or SAW?  Highly possible.  

There is just too much evidence and too many other things going on for someone to act this stuff out.  I can understand how some may want to call "BS" from their keyboard but I'm not willing to.  I'll give the guy his due.

Watch from the 2:25 mark and *see* the impacts, the dust kick up, and *hear* his voice.  There is no BS in this, at least in not what we are seeing.

He's the only voice you hear, which is the biggest Red Flag of the video and I have only watched the video once.  That was one of about 10-15 things "wrong" with it.   Also, watch the video again and notice "what direction the wind is blowing".    
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« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2012, 10:04:02 PM »
He's the only voice you hear, which is the biggest Red Flag of the video and I have only watched the video once.  That was one of about 10-15 things "wrong" with it.   Also, watch the video again and notice "what direction the wind is blowing".    

From memory, the wind takes the dust to the right of the camera view.
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« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2012, 11:05:47 PM »
As someone who has been through dozens & dozens of combat engagements over many years, I wholeheartedly back everything Gman has said in this thread.  :salute
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« Reply #80 on: October 02, 2012, 11:12:34 PM »
Thanks for the support USRanger and Karaya.

I've been on the phone for 2 hours with the  office of the US Army Public Affairs.  They have all of the information I've posted here and some I collected from other sites.  After going step by step through the video with several people on a conference call box, they all agreed as well and are launching their own investigation outside of the media's and my own little crusade regarding this.  The US Army asked me to leave this matter with them now, so I'm going to stop my campaign of trying to get an ID and information, and leave it to those who have a stake in how they are perceived in the media.

Results should be forthcoming shortly I would hope.

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« Reply #81 on: October 03, 2012, 12:14:43 AM »
As someone who has been through dozens & dozens of combat engagements over many years, I wholeheartedly back everything Gman has said in this thread.  :salute

I'm completely convinced as well....

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« Reply #82 on: October 03, 2012, 12:42:50 AM »
Thanks for the support USRanger and Karaya.

I've been on the phone for 2 hours with the  office of the US Army Public Affairs.  They have all of the information I've posted here and some I collected from other sites.  After going step by step through the video with several people on a conference call box, they all agreed as well and are launching their own investigation outside of the media's and my own little crusade regarding this.  The US Army asked me to leave this matter with them now, so I'm going to stop my campaign of trying to get an ID and information, and leave it to those who have a stake in how they are perceived in the media.

Results should be forthcoming shortly I would hope.

Good on you man, hope everything gets cleared up quickly.

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« Reply #83 on: October 03, 2012, 07:52:34 PM »
Thanks for the support USRanger and Karaya.

I've been on the phone for 2 hours with the  office of the US Army Public Affairs.  They have all of the information I've posted here and some I collected from other sites.  After going step by step through the video with several people on a conference call box, they all agreed as well and are launching their own investigation outside of the media's and my own little crusade regarding this.  The US Army asked me to leave this matter with them now, so I'm going to stop my campaign of trying to get an ID and information, and leave it to those who have a stake in how they are perceived in the media.

Results should be forthcoming shortly I would hope.

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« Reply #84 on: October 03, 2012, 11:56:08 PM »
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« Reply #85 on: October 04, 2012, 10:18:38 PM »
Thanks for the support USRanger and Karaya.

I've been on the phone for 2 hours with the  office of the US Army Public Affairs.  They have all of the information I've posted here and some I collected from other sites.  After going step by step through the video with several people on a conference call box, they all agreed as well and are launching their own investigation outside of the media's and my own little crusade regarding this.  The US Army asked me to leave this matter with them now, so I'm going to stop my campaign of trying to get an ID and information, and leave it to those who have a stake in how they are perceived in the media.

Results should be forthcoming shortly I would hope.
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« Reply #86 on: October 04, 2012, 11:30:17 PM »
He's the only voice you hear, which is the biggest Red Flag of the video and I have only watched the video once.  That was one of about 10-15 things "wrong" with it.   Also, watch the video again and notice "what direction the wind is blowing".    

I don't have a bone to pick in this discussion other then my curiosity, but I did hear voices in the distance when I watched it again.
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« Reply #87 on: October 04, 2012, 11:44:33 PM »
Ok, I'm going to preface this post by saying if I'm wrong about it, I'm wrong.

However, having spent some time over there myself, I have a few observations.

I believe this video to be a FAKE.

My reasons are as follows.

1. Sound.  Yes, the rifle/machine gun fire sounds authentic, however you do not ONCE hear any communication from other people in this guys unit.  He yelled out dozens of times, and wasn't answered once.  Having been in his situation on a few occasions, I can attest to the fact that there is so much verbal exchange that it can become a problem processing everything everyone else is saying all at once.  Yet in this video, you hear nothing but silence in that department.  Just this guy yelling out stupidly.  Also, I've heard the reaction from when people are shot.  They don't yell out in any way shape or form in the manner this idiot does.  It just sounds too fake.  In the last sequence going "uhhh" to yelling out "I'm hiiiiit" in the same virtual instant...sorry doesn't happen like that.  I mean just listen to it and try not to laugh at this guy faking it.

2. This persons lack of skills. His magazine change and empty mag management were a joke at best, and no trained soldier I've ever seen would fumble about this badly.  Also, something about the way he struck the magazine release to send his bolt forward just struck me as amateurish like an untrained range shooter or something like that as well.  Also, as you can see when he dropped his weapon several times that he didn't have it secured to his body when there was a nice double loop sling just sitting right there.  Nobody I've ever seen or worked with would leave cover to begin an ascent or descent without first ensuring his kit, primarily his WEAPON was attached to him first.  Also, he set his weapon DOWN ON THE GROUND while performing a reload.  This in of itself is beyond laughable.  There are several other things which just scream amateur.  Also, when using a hand to assist you in moving through obstacles or terrain, you NEVER use your primary weapon hand, you use your SUPPORT hand.  That's why it's called a SUPPORT hand.  This guy just does so many things wrong I can't begin to point them all out.  

Also, his emergency reload as I said is a complete joke.  He makes two distinct movements inserting his magazine, then "slappin er home" just like you see guys do at the aforementioned ol' shootin range is precisely how NOT to do a rapid magazine change.  When you are under fire you show just a tad more intensity when executing these things than this moron does.  Rolling his rifle to observe the chamber during a non-malfunction drill was also a complete waste of time and very VERY lacking in the economy of motion that most well trained persons will execute during a tactical or emergency reload.

3. Equipment in Video.  The rifle this guy is using is just too.....clean  Also, it is nearly black in color still.  Ask Junky or Iraqvet, or anyone else who has been in the desert theaters, and they'll agree that NO rifle has ever been so "black" and clean before or since this video.  Also, his "Oakley gloves" may look cool in video games and the like, but they are far too clean and white still to belong to any operator I've ever seen.  Also, where is the AN/Paq 4 laser designator?  Something that isn't very common on the ol' range M4, but an item that is attached to virtually every M4 you can find in the 4th Infantry Divisions pictures from Afghanistan.

4. Dust hits from incoming fire.  These are way WAY to small to represent strikes from 7.62x39 or 7.62x54 fire, the typical Taliban ammunition.  They in fact are strikes from a paintball gun shooting dust balls or something similar, I'll bet my fortune on it. Look at them again in the video yourselves, and take out your trusty rifle and shoot it into some dust like in this terrain, and you'll get the idea.  Also, when the rounds supposedly come in and "strike and destroy his m203", it looks more like he half bellybutton flips/tosses his rifle away when he drops it, as opposed to having it blown out of hands.  Watch it a few times and look really close at the rifle when the sound of the rounds striking is added in.

In closing, what we are seeing here I believe is a guy in a rock quarry in the good ol US of A and his buddy filming a few shots going out with another guy behind the camera shooting some dust balls into the ground, and then a sound edit on PC desktop software adding in some realistic battle sounds taken from other videos.






In regards to the rifle.  My brother in law is over there right now and recently a photo to my sister that included his M4.  His son did a year over there as a SAW gunner with the 101st as well.  When I saw you mention the 'black' rifle, I thought of this picture.  I'll tell him it's too clean :)  I note the sling is a different color as is the magazine in his M4.  Looks similar though.


You mentioned seeing white writing on the M4.  Just out of curiosity I went step by step to see if I could find it.  No go.  Again I have no thoughts either way on the validity of the video just trying to see what you were seeing.

Left side


right side


Another look from further back left


The grenade launcher


You mentioned the gloves.  Not correct?  The 4th ID patch shows up


The sling when he yanks it back


Two of the town from different angles.  Some suggestion it's a training base in the states?




The only other thing I noticed that seemed out of place.  What's this string doing here? :)
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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #88 on: October 05, 2012, 01:49:36 AM »
if you know anybody that is familiar with plants other than you stoners, if you can identify that plant on the lower left corner then you know the location where it was filmed.  anybody that has been over there should be able to identify the "cactus" looking plant i the picture with the glove.

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« Reply #89 on: October 05, 2012, 07:05:25 PM »
4th I.D Headquartered  Ft. Carson Co.
4th Brigade Combat Team redeployed from Afghanistan 9/15
Could be a training area on Carson.
String is also visible in other pictures there.

                                                                        

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