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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2012, 06:44:03 AM »
Remarkable footage. It's not often you actually see bullet strikes so close. He was a very lucky man indeed. Caught out in the open like that and alone. Extremely fortunate not to be actually wounded despite being hit several times. He used up all his luck that day.

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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2012, 01:37:39 PM »
Idiot

Undeniably lucky though, not to get himself or any of his buddies hurt, the way he was acting


Maybe you should volunteer and go show them how its done.  :rolleyes:

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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2012, 02:12:12 PM »
Ok, I'm going to preface this post by saying if I'm wrong about it, I'm wrong.

However, having spent some time over there myself, I have a few observations.

I believe this video to be a FAKE.

My reasons are as follows.

1. Sound.  Yes, the rifle/machine gun fire sounds authentic, however you do not ONCE hear any communication from other people in this guys unit.  He yelled out dozens of times, and wasn't answered once.  Having been in his situation on a few occasions, I can attest to the fact that there is so much verbal exchange that it can become a problem processing everything everyone else is saying all at once.  Yet in this video, you hear nothing but silence in that department.  Just this guy yelling out stupidly.  Also, I've heard the reaction from when people are shot.  They don't yell out in any way shape or form in the manner this idiot does.  It just sounds too fake.  In the last sequence going "uhhh" to yelling out "I'm hiiiiit" in the same virtual instant...sorry doesn't happen like that.  I mean just listen to it and try not to laugh at this guy faking it.

2. This persons lack of skills. His magazine change and empty mag management were a joke at best, and no trained soldier I've ever seen would fumble about this badly.  Also, something about the way he struck the magazine release to send his bolt forward just struck me as amateurish like an untrained range shooter or something like that as well.  Also, as you can see when he dropped his weapon several times that he didn't have it secured to his body when there was a nice double loop sling just sitting right there.  Nobody I've ever seen or worked with would leave cover to begin an ascent or descent without first ensuring his kit, primarily his WEAPON was attached to him first.  Also, he set his weapon DOWN ON THE GROUND while performing a reload.  This in of itself is beyond laughable.  There are several other things which just scream amateur.  Also, when using a hand to assist you in moving through obstacles or terrain, you NEVER use your primary weapon hand, you use your SUPPORT hand.  That's why it's called a SUPPORT hand.  This guy just does so many things wrong I can't begin to point them all out.  

Also, his emergency reload as I said is a complete joke.  He makes two distinct movements inserting his magazine, then "slappin er home" just like you see guys do at the aforementioned ol' shootin range is precisely how NOT to do a rapid magazine change.  When you are under fire you show just a tad more intensity when executing these things than this moron does.  Rolling his rifle to observe the chamber during a non-malfunction drill was also a complete waste of time and very VERY lacking in the economy of motion that most well trained persons will execute during a tactical or emergency reload.

3. Equipment in Video.  The rifle this guy is using is just too.....clean  Also, it is nearly black in color still.  Ask Junky or Iraqvet, or anyone else who has been in the desert theaters, and they'll agree that NO rifle has ever been so "black" and clean before or since this video.  Also, his "Oakley gloves" may look cool in video games and the like, but they are far too clean and white still to belong to any operator I've ever seen.  Also, where is the AN/Paq 4 laser designator?  Something that isn't very common on the ol' range M4, but an item that is attached to virtually every M4 you can find in the 4th Infantry Divisions pictures from Afghanistan.

4. Dust hits from incoming fire.  These are way WAY to small to represent strikes from 7.62x39 or 7.62x54 fire, the typical Taliban ammunition.  They in fact are strikes from a paintball gun shooting dust balls or something similar, I'll bet my fortune on it. Look at them again in the video yourselves, and take out your trusty rifle and shoot it into some dust like in this terrain, and you'll get the idea.  Also, when the rounds supposedly come in and "strike and destroy his m203", it looks more like he half bellybutton flips/tosses his rifle away when he drops it, as opposed to having it blown out of hands.  Watch it a few times and look really close at the rifle when the sound of the rounds striking is added in.

In closing, what we are seeing here I believe is a guy in a rock quarry in the good ol US of A and his buddy filming a few shots going out with another guy behind the camera shooting some dust balls into the ground, and then a sound edit on PC desktop software adding in some realistic battle sounds taken from other videos.




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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2012, 02:15:41 PM »
Why's he wearing a helmet cam?  Is that Army orders?
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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2012, 02:22:58 PM »
Ok, I'm going to preface this post by saying if I'm wrong about it, I'm wrong.

However, having spent some time over there myself, I have a few observations.

I believe this video to be a FAKE.

My reasons are as follows.

1. Sound.  Yes, the rifle/machine gun fire sounds authentic, however you do not ONCE hear any communication from other people in this guys unit.  He yelled out dozens of times, and wasn't answered once.  Having been in his situation on a few occasions, I can attest to the fact that there is so much verbal exchange that it can become a problem processing everything everyone else is saying all at once.  Yet in this video, you hear nothing but silence in that department.  Just this guy yelling out stupidly.  Also, I've heard the reaction from when people are shot.  They don't yell out in any way shape or form in the manner this idiot does.  It just sounds too fake.  In the last sequence going "uhhh" to yelling out "I'm hiiiiit" in the same virtual instant...sorry doesn't happen like that.  I mean just listen to it and try not to laugh at this guy faking it.

2. This persons lack of skills. His magazine change and empty mag management was a joke at best, and no trained soldier I've ever seen would fumble about this badly.  Also, something about the way he struck the magazine release to send his bolt forward just struck me as amateurish like an untrained range shooter or something like that as well.  Also, as you can see when he dropped his weapon several times that he didn't have it secured to his body when there was a nice double loop sling just sitting right there.  Nobody I've ever seen or worked with would leave cover to begin an ascent or descent without first ensuring his kit, primarily his WEAPON was attached to him first.  Also, he set his weapon DOWN ON THE GROUND while performing a reload.  This in of itself is beyond laughable.  There are several other things which just scream amateur.  Also, when using a hand to assist you in moving through obstacles or terrain, you NEVER use your primary weapon hand, you use your SUPPORT hand.  That's why it's called a SUPPORT hand.  This guy just does so many things wrong I can't begin to point them all out. 

3. Equipment in Video.  The rifle this guy is using is just too.....M4goery ish.  I mean look at the rail system on it...el-cheapo, and with no bumper pads on the unused section of the rails, something not often seen on rifles in the military, however QUITE often seen on cheap bellybutton guys rifles at the ol' shootin range.  Also, it is nearly black in color still.  Ask Junky or Iraqvet, or anyone else who has been in the desert theaters, and they'll agree that NO rifle has ever been so "black" and clean before or since this video.  

4. Dust hits from incoming fire.  These are way WAY to small to represent strikes from 7.62x39 or 7.62x54 fire, the typical Taliban ammunition.  They in fact are strikes from a paintball gun shooting dust balls or something similar, I'll bet my fortune on it. Look at them again in the video yourselves, and take out your trusty rifle and shoot it into some dust like in this terrain, and you'll get the idea.

In closing, what we are seeing here I believe is a guy in a rock quarry in the good ol US of A and his buddy filming a few shots going out with another guy behind the camera shooting some dust balls into the ground, and then a sound edit on PC desktop software adding in some realistic battle sounds taken from other videos.


Those dust hits can add in after production phase. It's possible to do even with freeware 3D stuff.

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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2012, 02:32:32 PM »
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Those dust hits can add in after production phase. It's possible to do even with freeware 3D stuff.

Hah, I didn't know that, but I have zero photoshop/3d software experience.  However this guy did them, they're fake IMO.

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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2012, 02:36:04 PM »
Hah, I didn't know that, but I have zero photoshop/3d software experience.  However this guy did them, they're fake IMO.

I noticed the publish date, which doesn't have to mean the actual date the video was made, its Sept 26 2012.
In a couple of shots you get a quick glance at his shoulder patch which appears to be 4th Infantry Division.
I wonder if the 4th ID is over there right now?

[EDIT] I just checked a 4th ID website and they had Soldiers return from Afghanistan on 15 September, so your guess is a good as mine on the authenticity
of the video.
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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2012, 02:48:30 PM »
Hah, I didn't know that, but I have zero photoshop/3d software experience.  However this guy did them, they're fake IMO.

The 3D technique is called as a rotor-scoping, which is widely used in films these days.

Example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFv46XQUO34

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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2012, 02:53:59 PM »
Very cool Xjazz.  You learn something every day. 

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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2012, 03:01:23 PM »
You guys are gonna look awful silly if you are wrong.
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« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2012, 03:16:49 PM »
You guys are gonna look awful silly if you are wrong.

It swings both ways, you know. "I saw it in YT" don't mean really nothing in these days.

Even with modern days home PC you CAN re-produces a picture or even film to fit to your what ever agenda.
As a person with one PC, the rotor-scoping rendering will take a time to get it right, but if you have a render farm to make even a pixar jealous...

In some countries the digital photo or film is not valid evidence any more...

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« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2012, 03:39:26 PM »
It swings both ways, you know. "I saw it in YT" don't mean really nothing in these days.

Even with modern days home PC you CAN re-produces a picture or even film to fit to your what ever agenda.
As a person with one PC, the rotor-scoping rendering will take a time to get it right, but if you have a render farm to make even a pixar jealous...

In some countries the digital photo or film is not valid evidence any more...
   I realise it swings bothe was thats why I put that "IF" out there.
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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2012, 03:41:05 PM »
none of you guys were there.    he didnt hide behind a rock and started crying or turn tail and ran the other way.   he did what he thought was best and he lived.  at least he didnt play a hero and shot a guy with one arm and one leg in the back of the head.


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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2012, 03:42:34 PM »
Like I said in my first sentence, if I'm wrong I am.  The dust impacts and however they were created are the smallest bit of evidence which points to BS.  The guys kit, the sounds, the lack of skills, the lack of others communication...all the other stupid things..... I stand by my statements and the personal experience which allows me to make them.  Granted the majority of the contact I came into was around vehicles and roads, not on hilly terrain as an Infantry soldier does as in this video,  but as I stated earlier I've been doing this a long time and the behavior of people who are professionals and soldiers under fire remains a constant.  This guy exhibits NONE of these behavior traits.

Also note that there is no information regarding who is in the video.  No name, unit, date and time....

Then check out this guys funker360 Page.....doesn't exude loads of confidence to me that this one video is authentic compared to some of his others.  He won't answer my questions regarding who and where this video was acquired from yet either.


Also, a few final points, this guy yells out "I'm hit, I'm hit" about 15 times in the last sequence on the video.  Point 1: Nobody answers him...strange huh?  Point 2:  Although he's "hit", he can grab the sling of the rifle he "dropped" (snicker, flipped away from himself) and yank it back to himself, but he isn't OK enough to get up and move to better cover, or better yet, CHECK HIMSELF FOR WOUNDS.  Yelling I'm hit over and over again, yet not saying where or showing any indication of checking the spot where he's been hit with either of his hands which show to be uninjured in the video?  Come ON.  Then the video description says he took "all 4 rounds in the armor".... Oooh this is getting better and better.  Try and watch the video again without laughing, I can't. 

For the gun guys on the board, did you notice the brand stamp on the right side of the receiver in dull white letters when he does his thirty second reload?  This is the one bit of physical evidence that proves me right beyond any shadow of a doubt.  The US military sources its M4 rifles from only certain manufacturers.  This isn't one of them. 

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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2012, 05:12:57 PM »
No he did something stupid.

i think gman is right that is a fake video.


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