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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #150 on: January 31, 2013, 06:27:33 PM »
I will admit I did hit a guy in the head with my 16in Asp baton.  I was aiming for his arm when he put up his arm to deflect but it was under my swing.  The result was my baton glancing off his shoulder and hitting him the side of his head.  Needless to say he dropped to his knees and put his hands up immediately.  No concussion and just a wee bit of blood, but swelling the size of a goose egg.  With that information, lets see what conclusions you and the other analyst can draw regarding that occurrence, shall we?   ;)  

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Cool story...but I'm not really sure what (if anything) it has to do with you saying you can watch a video of someone clearly being hit in the head multiple times, and come back with 'If you read the report you can see that his head injuries just came from being stepped on while they immobilised him'  :bhead

It's not really surprising, as I have seen LEOs on other forums write pages and pages attempting to justify and excuse police brutality. Not surprising, just kind of disgusting.

Luckily the increasingly widespread use of handheld media recorders and dashboard cams is doing a great job at bringing those kinds of incidents to light these days.
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« Reply #151 on: January 31, 2013, 08:59:36 PM »
If would have read the entire report you would have known that most of his head injuries were from him being pressed/stepped on while (pin the head and *usually* pin the body) on the ground for reasons of immobilization.  They didn't used their batons on his head, he suffered no concussion or fractures to his head/skull and a PR24 would certainly have done that ease.  

Trust me, you are fighting battle you cant win.  Stop trying to be the White Knight and move along.

As far as the PCP goes- the toxicology reports showed that he did not not have PCP in his system, but they did show elevated levels of other such pain numbing chemicals (which ones I do not remember).  King admitted to having consumed a number of illegal substances within the previous 4-5 days but PCP was not one of them.  King did not respond to any of the pain compliance, hence the initial theory that he was high on PCP.  During the trial more than one person testified that King may have not felt a thing thanks to the multiple chemicals he had in his body. The parallels of alcohol and tranquilizers were made.  PCP was a term thrown around in comparison, my bad for using it directly.    

You are assuming I knew none of this.   You were wrong.   He was never on PCP, like my non-Wiki'd post said.   That night he was drunk, that was it.   It is funny to others that you are trying to glamorize the facts that anyone can read.    :rofl
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« Reply #152 on: January 31, 2013, 10:16:39 PM »
You are assuming I knew none of this.   You were wrong.   He was never on PCP, like my non-Wiki'd post said.   That night he was drunk, that was it.   It is funny to others that you are trying to glamorize the facts that anyone can read.    :rofl

No one is glamorizing anything, 'cept you and coombzy trying to blow your own trumpets.  The fact remains that I've watched the entire video multiple times, listened to prosecutors and defenders point fingers and debate the merits of their side (with the luxury of hindsight), and I've seen the official reports of the incident including how everything pertains to *then* CA and federal law.  Drunk or high or superman, it doesn't matter.  He was not responding to the pain compliance and that is what got the COPs in trouble.  How much longer do you want to keep swinging your purses on an issue you're really not even vouching for or against???

Coombzy... nothing needs to be said about you.  Your record of being an extreme lefty and anti-everything that isn't left is well documented in these forums. You need to learn that just because you don't like something does not mean it is wrong, and that your view and your definition are not necessarily right.  Your opinion is just that.  Keep smoking your self righteousness.         
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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #153 on: February 01, 2013, 07:52:53 AM »
I dont know whats sillier. The fact that were listening to a New Zealander about American Police work or the fact that he is even talking about it, and doing so as if an expert. Slow news day in Wellington I suppose.



Cool story...but I'm not really sure what (if anything) it has to do with you saying you can watch a video of someone clearly being hit in the head multiple times, and come back with 'If you read the report you can see that his head injuries just came from being stepped on while they immobilised him'  :bhead

It's not really surprising, as I have seen LEOs on other forums write pages and pages attempting to justify and excuse police brutality. Not surprising, just kind of disgusting.

Luckily the increasingly widespread use of handheld media recorders and dashboard cams is doing a great job at bringing those kinds of incidents to light these days.

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« Reply #154 on: February 01, 2013, 11:33:36 AM »
No one is glamorizing anything, 'cept you and coombzy trying to blow your own trumpets.  The fact remains that I've watched the entire video multiple times, listened to prosecutors and defenders point fingers and debate the merits of their side (with the luxury of hindsight), and I've seen the official reports of the incident including how everything pertains to *then* CA and federal law.  Drunk or high or superman, it doesn't matter.  He was not responding to the pain compliance and that is what got the COPs in trouble.  How much longer do you want to keep swinging your purses on an issue you're really not even vouching for or against???

Coombzy... nothing needs to be said about you.  Your record of being an extreme lefty and anti-everything that isn't left is well documented in these forums. You need to learn that just because you don't like something does not mean it is wrong, and that your view and your definition are not necessarily right.  Your opinion is just that.  Keep smoking your self righteousness.         

I love it when you call it "pain compliance" instead of they beat the crap out of him after a point when they should have stopped.  you know what is missing in the video?  the charge of filing a false police report, but whatever, it's done and over with.


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Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
« Reply #155 on: February 01, 2013, 12:00:40 PM »
I'd kind of like to know what the last couple pages have to do with a video allegedly from afghanistan? It's not like these self proclaimed experts can't start their own thread to expound on something they have no experience in.
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« Reply #156 on: February 01, 2013, 12:08:27 PM »
I'd kind of like to know what the last couple pages have to do with a video allegedly from afghanistan? It's not like these self proclaimed experts can't start their own thread to expound on something they have no experience in.

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« Reply #158 on: February 01, 2013, 03:07:06 PM »
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"I still say no one could "edit" in the bullet impacts so very near him,..."

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« Reply #159 on: February 01, 2013, 03:22:59 PM »
I'd kind of like to know what the last couple pages have to do with a video allegedly from afghanistan? It's not like these self proclaimed experts can't start their own thread to expound on something they have no experience in.

it has to do with people looking at a video and reaching different conclusions based on their own right/wrong assumptions.


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« Reply #160 on: February 01, 2013, 03:39:40 PM »
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« Reply #161 on: February 02, 2013, 11:52:52 AM »
it has to do with people looking at a video and reaching different conclusions based on their own right/wrong assumptions.


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You are making another assumption. Thinking that any video you see broadcast by the media is the entire unedited video showing the entire situation. I have no confidence that the media is telling the truth, much less the entire story on any video or news "story" they publish. They have been caught too many times slanting, distorting or out right lying in their presentations. I've seen it in action too many times including places and situations where I was present.
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« Reply #162 on: February 02, 2013, 12:15:17 PM »
talk to 'brum.

Your words from Page 9.   

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Based on the information that was available passing judgement on this infantryman is the last thing any of us should have done. I neither supported or dogged him for what he did because coming from a LEO background I KNOW there are things that video does not show or explain and that people will pick and choose what to see and not see unless there is absolute commentary from the author.  Even if the author would have lost his life I would have not called this fake for the reason I've already mentioned.  I just get a kick out of the people who are so quick with the judgements when they have little or no experience with maneuvers, firearms, etc, and they judge so quickly with nothing to stand on.  I'm not pointing to anyone here in specific, that is just a general statement.

Has anyone else seen the entire Rodney King video?  Does anyone know what the Use of Force guidelines and laws were in CA at that time?

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« Reply #163 on: February 02, 2013, 04:07:47 PM »
You are making another assumption. Thinking that any video you see broadcast by the media is the entire unedited video showing the entire situation. I have no confidence that the media is telling the truth, much less the entire story on any video or news "story" they publish. They have been caught too many times slanting, distorting or out right lying in their presentations. I've seen it in action too many times including places and situations where I was present.

so you mean the video of the soldier running down the hill was edited to mislead?  where is your evidence since we dont really know where the original is kept?

and btw the only assumption I made was that 2 people can look at a video, any video, and reach different conclusions.  for example smokinloon claim that rodney was throwing officers around "like rag dolls" which is an outright lie based on the fact that 2 officers tripped on each other.  he also states that king didnt get hit on the head while I clearly see him getting hit many times with blows directly to the neck and head.

I am not trying to re-investigate the entire incident but more trying to prove that people look at things in a different way as in the case of that soldier running down the hill.  people look at that video and some will see it as a fake and some others will see it as real based on whatever misconceptions they had.  they reasons why it was a fake/not fake had been discussed to death.  now a few months later the soldier comes forward and says the video is real.  so it is real and that is that.


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« Reply #164 on: February 03, 2013, 12:08:31 PM »
Gun crasher I was referring to the king video hack job as far as media bias is concerned. It ties in with my question about what the bearing of the sidetracking in the thread had to do with the original subject matter. If you have a question about anything I mean in a post feel free to ask. Do not put your assumptions as the answer.
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