dar tower strength

[LCADolby]

I would like to see larger RDF stations in AcesHigh, 1 mast doesn't look cool enough bring me 3 

[SmokinLoon]

how would anything be High Explosive without any explosive material to make it High Explosive???

<cough>fragmentation<cough>

*sorry, i just had to*

Legit question.  However, how could anything with a pinch of explosive be termed "high" explosive?  

Also, Looschy pointed out something very important that has been mentioned previously: the hardness setting are %100 arbitrary, there is no set standards for what OBJ gets what hardness value unless like X plane is able to travel Y fast at Z altitude.  Everything in regards to OBJ can be adjusted.

From past experiences in watching Hitech and others from HTC respond to issues like this, I'd be willing to bet they have put all things OBJ (non hangers and SB) at one low setting to allow the broadest number of aircraft and gv's to be able to destroy the OBJ in question.  Hence, why the F4F and a P51D are on "equal" terms in ability to gun down a radar tower, ammo bunker, building, etc.  Sure, the P51D can bring along almost 3000 lbs of ordnance for a major advantage, but again we're talking about the lowest common denominator in having 312 lbs of damage needed for the typical OBJ to be destroyed.

        

[kvuo75]

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I would like to see larger RDF stations in AcesHigh, 1 mast doesn't look cool enough bring me 3 

go to the radar factory at strat city.

[LCADolby]

go to the radar factory at strat city.

The distance is too great for a 109E4B

[Bino]

The vulnerability to damage of the various surface targets is - I'm told - calculated for gameplay, not "realism."  Perhaps HTC might chime in here to either confirm or refute that...?

just wish that dar towers were a bit tougher like a vh for eg. just seems like the effort taken to kill one far outweighs the disadvantage of not having dar
or alter the downtimes... what do you guys think ?

[gyrene81]

Legit question.  However, how could anything with a pinch of explosive be termed "high" explosive?  

look up HMX...a "pinch" inside a 7.62mm round would make it high explosive ammunition because it increases the destructive power.

[SmokinLoon]

look up HMX...a "pinch" inside a 7.62mm round would make it high explosive ammunition because it increases the destructive power.

I'll crank my sarcasm dial a bit higher next time.  Sorry.   

[kvuo75]

The vulnerability to damage of the various surface targets is - I'm told - calculated for gameplay, not "realism."  Perhaps HTC might chime in here to either confirm or refute that...?

i think they made it quite obvious, it takes 3000lbs to kill a tin shed (VH), but 250lbs to kill a concrete bunker ("ords").

I think if you actually made radar harder to kill, it would discourage most new players.. because it is one of the first things a noob can do with bombs or rockets that he can actually see an immediate effect. the radar circle going from white to red.  and it's the most conspicuous and least important target on a field, the big frickin tower.
 

[RTHolmes]

common sense and WWII reports suggest radar antennae were hard to bring down but its always good to see film, so heres 3x RL radar stations being disabled using 500/1000lb bombs. check out the condition of the towers after the dust settles ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCLIw_s8eTA

[SmokinLoon]

common sense and WWII reports suggest radar antennae were hard to bring down but its always good to see film, so heres 3x RL radar stations being disabled using 500/1000lb bombs. check out the condition of the towers after the dust settles ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCLIw_s8eTA

I didn't watch the entire video, but it appears more to me that the target was everything around the tower(s) and not the tower(s) themselves.  Makes sense, if only the tower wa destroyed them someone could technically sit on top of the nearest building holding a wire coat hanger and get a signal.    

[RTHolmes]

yeah same today as in WWII - the stuff you want to destroy is in armoured bunkers buried near the antenna, not the antenna itself.

I'd like to see this in AH - the antenna should be almost impossible to strafe down even with 30mm (I suspect the hitbox is currently solid, rather than the lattice that you see) and the real target is a bunker next to it, which like all bunkers should be destroyable by bombs only.


edit: otoh if we ever get mobile microwave radar with dish antenna like Wurzburg, then these would be very strafable.

[Mongoose]

I agree with what he is saying when straffing the DAR
Here is and exeriment you can try at home:
Step 1:
Build a tower out of thin steel cables in the shape of a radar tower
Step 2:
shoot with #7 birdshot from a 12 gauge shotgun
Step 3:
Light M80 underneath the tower
Results:
The shotgun does little damage because it passes through the open spaces of the tower where as the M80 destroys the tower because of the shockwave

My opinion is that bullets should do little damage the radar becuase most, in real life, pass through without hitting anything
if you don't belive me try it at home

  This is why when I strafe radar, I aim for the base, not the tower.   

  With rockets, it it different, a rocket will hit the tower and explode.  My bullets will hit the base of the tower, and destroy it.