Forcing lowest common denominator experience on others.

[coombz]

Yeah, because no bombers were ever shot down in WWII on their return trip.  [Now where's that sarcasm font?]

This isn't WWII though

It's a computer game

There are always people that will do whatever lame stuff they can get away with in computer games. Many different examples of this in AH...and it's never going to change

[Nathan60]

There are always people that will do whatever lame stuff they can get away with in computer games. Many different examples of this in AH...and it's never going to change

Its like bunny hopping in the old FPS'  if it give and edge and you can get away with it a few will. Bailing from bombers after dropping is nothing but lame If you dont want to fight it out why not just play for free against the computer?

[coombz]

Its like bunny hopping in the old FPS'  if it give and edge and you can get away with it a few will.

It's not really like that, because as you say bunny hopping gives you a slight edge. As you note below, bomber bailing doesn't get you anything.

Bailing from bombers after dropping is nothing but lame If you dont want to fight it out why not just play for free against the computer?

Because it makes people angry and provokes whine threads like this one

It's called griefing

If it's possible to do and it pisses people off, some people will do it. The only way to stop such sad behaviour is for the game designers to do something to prevent it, which isn't going to happen in this case.

[Kingpin]

It's not really like that, because as you say bunny hopping gives you a slight edge. As you note below, bomber bailing doesn't get you anything.

Yes, it does, you are able to fly twice as many bomber sorties to your target, because you are gaining the time it would take to RTB.  That is exploiting the game design to your favor.

Because it makes people angry and provokes whine threads like this one
It's called griefing

I don't think pointing out griefing players (or even just poor game etiquette) to the rest of the community is a "whine thread". 

If it's possible to do and it pisses people off, some people will do it. The only way to stop such sad behaviour is for the game designers to do something to prevent it, which isn't going to happen in this case.

This is precisely why such things should be exposed to the rest of the community.

[pembquist]

What's lame is low alt kamilancstuka base taking bailers or spawn sweepers. I consider it the prerogative of a strat runner to bail if after flying for an hour he gets swarmed and just feels like giving it up and catching his bus. Sometimes I get the impression that fighter pilots think that bomber pilots are upping for them and owe them something.  It's a two way street, if guys weren't willing to fly for 50 minutes with a good chance of a disappointing ending fighter planes would miss out. All that said I view every bomb sortie as a chance to practice gunnery so I don't really see the point of bailing with working guns let alone an intact formation.

I'll tell you what's lame, getting attacked in a bomber by the same guy over and over untill your out of ammo and then getting saluted. By over and over I mean 3 or 4 lives reupping along your flight path.

[Nathan60]

It's not really like that, because as you say bunny hopping gives you a slight edge. As you note below, bomber bailing doesn't get you anything.

 I was refering to the people doing lame things in a game. Bunny hopping is lame as is bomberbailing, I didn't even think about the fact they can fly twice as many raids(since I will bail from cap to go get a goon or comeback with ords I am guilty of being lame in this aswelll)

[Kingpin]

What's lame is low alt kamilancstuka base taking bailers or spawn sweepers. I consider it the prerogative of a strat runner to bail if after flying for an hour he gets swarmed and just feels like giving it up and catching his bus. Sometimes I get the impression that fighter pilots think that bomber pilots are upping for them and owe them something.  It's a two way street, if guys weren't willing to fly for 50 minutes with a good chance of a disappointing ending fighter planes would miss out.

Agreed.  Good points.

This is probably why bombers get drones, rather good speed and defensive capability, and over-modeled bomb accuracy.  Otherwise, nobody would do it.  That said though, a good bomber pilot has a reasonable chance of making it home if they fly smart and shoot straight.  I stink in bombers and still survive more often than not.

That said, I would never fly to a target I have no intention of RTBing from.  Intentional one-way trips are just suicide dweebery.  And it's this suicide-dweeb bailing that is being pointed out here.

 

[coombz]

Yes, it does, you are able to fly twice as many bomber sorties to your target, because you are gaining the time it would take to RTB.  That is exploiting the game design to your favor.

Where in the 'Rules and Commandments of Aces High' is it written that you have to RTB?    

Should I have to RTB my slightly damaged fighter plane for 5-10 minutes, up another one, fly another 5-10 minutes back to the fight? Or should I be able to crash my plane into the ground or bail out so that I can get back in the action quicker?

If we are at a fight that has died out, one of my squaddies will always land his plane before moving to a new field and a new fight, because he cares about realism (and score ). I will just bail out or crash my plane because I don't.

Maybe the b&ber just doesn't want to waste his gaming time flying back to base empty (zzzzzzz). Or maybe he's an innovator, and has figured out he can drop more ord / hour and have a more positive effect on the war effort (kinda the same way that someone bailing and re-upping a fighter to get where he needs to be can help it).

Or he's just a griefer as previously mentioned

I don't think pointing out griefing players (or even just poor game etiquette) to the rest of the community is a "whine thread".

Even using phrases like 'poor game etiquette' is a whine imo. Game etiquette exists solely in the minds of the players, when some people (like your bomb + bailers) don't give a toss about it then it is irrelevant.

But we can agree to disagree I guess

This is precisely why such things should be exposed to the rest of the community.

Yes, another circle jerk of more 'honourable' pilots roundly condemning someone who will never read, or care about, the comments made in this thread is just what the community needs to help combat this terrible problem!

[Wiley]

I consider it the prerogative of a strat runner to bail if after flying for an hour he gets swarmed and just feels like giving it up and catching his bus.

What's the point of playing online if that's what you're doing?

I'll tell you what's lame, getting attacked in a bomber by the same guy over and over untill your out of ammo and then getting saluted. By over and over I mean 3 or 4 lives reupping along your flight path.

...So you'd prefer he left you alone to fly in peace?  Again, why play online?

Wiley.

[Kingpin]

Where in the 'Rules and Commandments of Aces High' is it written that you have to RTB?    

Should I have to RTB my slightly damaged fighter plane for 5-10 minutes, up another one, fly another 5-10 minutes back to the fight? Or should I be able to crash my plane into the ground or bail out so that I can get back in the action quicker?

There was no mention of "rules".  I pointed out to you how bailing is exploiting the game design to his advantage, when you claimed there was none.

[coombz]

OK fine Maybe bomb & bailing is like bunny hopping...or like rocket jumping in Quake1...or skiing in Tribes

An exploit of the game design for an advantage by innovative players, which starts out being frowned upon by purists but then becomes de rigeur for all players wishing to be competitive.

[icepac]

2.5k... that's 3 proxies wtg.

No proximity kills were awarded.

Not a big fan of being awarded kills not earned anyway but I can see why it was implemented.

[icepac]

double post

forum is a little glitchy today

[Kingpin]

OK fine Maybe bomb & bailing is like bunny hopping...or like rocket jumping in Quake1...or skiing in Tribes

An exploit of the game design for an advantage by innovative players, which starts out being frowned upon by purists but then becomes de rigeur for all players wishing to be competitive.

I see your expectation has become that "all players wishing to be competitive" will resort to these types of exploits.   Of course you know that isn't entirely true, because there still are plenty of "purists" and "more honourable" players that exist and will speak up, despite your mockery of them.  Some of these are also quite competitive in the game.

The point of the discussion is the choice of which side you take, those who wish to point out questionable game play, or those who accept or even partake in it.  That is what defines the game etiquette within the community.  I'm sorry if your experiences have caused you to give up on the former and join the latter.  

I guess I'm still one of those "purists" who should be made fun of.  And so, yes, our expectations will differ.

 

[coombz]

I see your expectation has become that "all players wishing to be competitive" will resort to these types of exploits.  

Nah I'm just teasing, I know the AH community as a whole isn't really like that One of it's few redeeming features I guess, even if it does lead to a lot of 'x person doesn't play the way I want him to!' disagreements.

But still, there will always be people who HO and run, people who ack run as soon as they lose advantage, people who horde...and people who bomb and bail. They don't care whether we think they have poor etiquette or not  

And no amount of self righteous BBS threads will ever change that. Most of them don't even read the forum.

Of course you know that isn't entirely true

Indeed!