Why?

[coombz]

There are a lot of different things to consider when you think about this perceived gameplay issue.

I think the bottom line is that very few people are happy to die in the majority of their sorties. Most people like to stay alive if possible.

For a lot of veteran gamer types the ingrained negative association of dying in a computer game is hard to get away from, even if you know intellectually that having some fun fights is a more worthwhile and enjoyable use of your time.

If you fly every sortie as Redbull describes in the 2nd post of this thread, engaging indiscriminately and not trying to survive through an alt/E advantage, or not caring about the wider SA picture and letting yourself get outnumbered, even the best pilots in the game (who are a very small subset of the active game population) will die most of the time.

Very few people are happy with that kind of experience in AH - especially when you consider that most (not all...but most) of the other players do not respect this kind of play. You will get HOd, ganged mercilessly, people will run away from you when they can because they have a different objective to you.

In fact I think that posts like Redbull's, Titan's, Debrody's and those from other die hard, fight at all costs-types, show that a lot of the time they find it hard to enjoy this playstyle as well, because of the fact that 90% of other pilots will not play ball, and continue to fly by their own 'survival/score is paramount' agenda.

Personally, I like to think I take a middle of the road kind of approach...I am willing to have a proper fight with someone, but if doing so means that I will be putting myself at risk of being picked or ganged then I will BnZ/extend/run as necessary. This is just intelligent tactics to me, not cowardice.

If I engage every con I see in a 'fair' fight and ignore the wider SA picture I will die in almost every sortie - by being ganged, HO'd, or picked just when I have my opponents 6 - and I simply don't find that fun. I imagine a lot of people probably feel the same.

Some people as we all know take this to extremes and are just ridiculously timid. Just point and laugh at them and move on, because you're never going to change them.

[tunnelrat]

Hehe
i never ran - only extended (til i found 3 buddies muwhaha, then i turned back, stfu beyotch!)
i never gang - just take usage of the overwhelming numerical superiority (and those 3-5-10 buddies i ran to, like a girl)
i never ho - that was a deflection shot you bitch (anyway it takes 2 to ho and you hoed first anyways)
i pwned you! - hey 4 ponies BnZing a deck Dora for 10 mins before the first ping gets his pilot is pure ownage, isnt it? You died, you suck!

Oh boy... you are trying so hard, but keeping your nose as high, cant see the mirror in front of you.

Derp, you're the best sir.



You can't even speak the truth, let alone formulate a coherent, valid point.

I have no idea who you are talking about, because it isn't me or anyone I fly with.

[minke]

There are a lot of different things to consider when you think about this perceived gameplay issue.

I think the bottom line is that very few people are happy to die in the majority of their sorties. Most people like to stay alive if possible.

For a lot of veteran gamer types the ingrained negative association of dying in a computer game is hard to get away from, even if you know intellectually that having some fun fights is a more worthwhile and enjoyable use of your time.

If you fly every sortie as Redbull describes in the 2nd post of this thread, engaging indiscriminately and not trying to survive through an alt/E advantage, or not caring about the wider SA picture and letting yourself get outnumbered, even the best pilots in the game (who are a very small subset of the active game population) will die most of the time.

Very few people are happy with that kind of experience in AH - especially when you consider that most (not all...but most) of the other players do not respect this kind of play. You will get HOd, ganged mercilessly, people will run away from you when they can because they have a different objective to you.

In fact I think that posts like Redbull's, Titan's, Debrody's and those from other die hard, fight at all costs-types, show that a lot of the time they find it hard to enjoy this playstyle as well, because of the fact that 90% of other pilots will not play ball, and continue to fly by their own 'survival/score is paramount' agenda.

Personally, I like to think I take a middle of the road kind of approach...I am willing to have a proper fight with someone, but if doing so means that I will be putting myself at risk of being picked or ganged then I will BnZ/extend/run as necessary. This is just intelligent tactics to me, not cowardice.

If I engage every con I see in a 'fair' fight and ignore the wider SA picture I will die in almost every sortie - by being ganged, HO'd, or picked just when I have my opponents 6 - and I simply don't find that fun. I imagine a lot of people probably feel the same.

Some people as we all know take this to extremes and are just ridiculously timid. Just point and laugh at them and move on, because you're never going to change them.

Well said 

[Debrody]

Just laughing on you, little trollio. Keep on trying, no way you can offend me.
Also no way you can cheat the truth.

[surfinn]

The question was why do people evade combat and I think it's a combination of score and ego. It is much easier on the ego to break away and extend, run to ack, to friends, call for help, or come back to kill the fellow that got a shot on you through superior skill when he is busy fighting someone else, than it is to accept your limitations and your defeat. After all the score is recorded the same as if you beat the guy in a straight up fight.

We are living in a predominantly narcissistic cultural and this is the subculture / balance which has evolved here.

Said from a true 1st person account of the extend until help gets here and wait until you have the absolute advantage.

[tunnelrat]

Just laughing on you, little trollio. Keep on trying, no way you can offend me.
Also no way you can cheat the truth.

We've literally never fought, dude. At least going by the G6/D9/262 combo you seem to gravitate towards.

 I have just listened to you go off on people I know and respect both on the forum and in the game.

I would ask you to DA but it would be a waste of your time and you're probably too advanced for me to learn much.

I DA for 3 reasons:

1.  First and foremost to learn, so just getting my bellybutton handed to me isn't worth my time - I can do that in any arena, and faster.

2.  To give someone the opportunity to kick the crap out of me for the stuff I say on 200/forum.

3.  To find out if someone is really a jerk or a class act.  The vast majority of the time, I find players are super awesome 1v1 on VOX and text.

So, if we're both on and you have the time and inclination, I would be all over getting schooled.

[nrshida]

Said from a true 1st person account of the extend until help gets here and wait until you have the absolute advantage.

What do you mean Surfinn?

[kilo2]

Hehe
i never ran - only extended (til i found 3 buddies muwhaha, then i turned back, stfu beyotch!)
i never gang - just take usage of the overwhelming numerical superiority (and those 3-5-10 buddies i ran to, like a girl)
i never ho - that was a deflection shot you bitch (anyway it takes 2 to ho and you hoed first anyways)
i pwned you! - hey 4 ponies BnZing a deck Dora for 10 mins before the first ping gets his pilot is pure ownage, isnt it? You died, you suck!

Oh boy... you are trying so hard, but keeping your nose as high, cant see the mirror in front of you.

Thought you quit because Dutchguy beat you in the DA?

[Debrody]

Thought you quit because Dutchguy beat you in the DA?

Are you serious?
But nope, im not playing under any name.

[kilo2]

Are you serious?
But nope, im not playing under any name.

Yes.

[Mister Fork]

Getting back to the original post... there are three basic modes of engagements of a dogfight that have been mantra for almost a hundred years.

1. If I'm engaging a target and it's a close matchup - I'll stick it in till someone makes a mistake.

2. If I'm obviously loosing the fight - I'll disengage and run and then return at an energy advantage or with different tactics.

3. If I can't run, I fight to the death and hope my opponent makes a mistake. If not, die with honour.

What else is there to say or do?

[ALFAMEGA51]

Is this where the fighter pilots report in?   

[Babalonian]

Nope, the bar is this way.

[Daddkev]

 

[Shuffler]

*Flame suit on*

Why do some people play a *combat* flight sim if all they do is avoid combat?  

Not trying to start a flame war or a troll bait, but I ask that question everytime some one runs away and of course, no answer or "it's their $15". Ok fine, it's their $15, but then why spend it on this game to fly in circles in your ack/bail at first sight/fly 30 minutes to get killed by your own bomb/fly 30 minutes only to turn around the moment a red icon appear?

Just pure curiosity.

You want pure comedy these days look in MW. It has deteriorated to nothing but perk farmers.