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Offline Slash27

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Check your closets
« on: December 11, 2012, 07:34:52 PM »

Offline SilverZ06

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Re: Check your closets
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2012, 07:43:23 PM »
Just checked but I only found DMGOD in the closet  :uhoh

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Re: Check your closets
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2012, 07:50:17 PM »
Sorry man. :confused:

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Re: Check your closets
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2012, 08:33:22 PM »
Wow! How did she not know!? I mean..What the..I just...I can't fathom.....
Like, ya know, when that thing that makes you move, it has pistons and things, When your thingamajigy is providing power, you do not hear other peoples thingamajig when they are providing power.

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Re: Check your closets
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2012, 09:12:10 PM »
Curious question: Where do they get the ammo for these old guns?...Must cost a lot for just a clip.. :uhoh

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Re: Check your closets
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2012, 03:09:14 PM »
Curious question: Where do they get the ammo for these old guns?...Must cost a lot for just a clip.. :uhoh

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Re: Check your closets
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2012, 03:43:43 PM »
 :O

Oh. My. God.

Your father leaves you this gun... he never bothers to tell you it's a WWII German Gem... you never get curious about it... IT WAS IN THE CLOSET!

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Re: Check your closets
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2012, 03:52:33 PM »
Its nice to see that the LEOs are not going to destroy it.....I saw on the local news a couple of years ago Philadelphia did a gun buy back program......the newscaster was showing a table full of handguns....amongts which were a Luger and a Broom Handled Mauser......I about cried thinking these were going to the melting pot.

Curious question: Where do they get the ammo for these old guns?...Must cost a lot for just a clip.. :uhoh

You can get 7.92X33 Kurz ammo for about $15.00 for a box of 20  Case lots of 500 are roughly $375.00  (124gr FMJ)

< the write up below is copied from a forum i belong to>

<Start>
After World War II, the Soviet Union and other Eastern Bloc states supplied client regimes and guerrilla movements with captured German arms such as the StG 44 along with newly manufactured or repackaged 7.92x33mm ammunition. French forces discovered many in Algeria and determined the origin to be from Czechoslovakia. Examples also found their way into the hands of the Vietcong during the Vietnam War, and the PLO. It is still used in very limited numbers by militia forces in the Middle East as well as some countries in the Horn of Africa. StG 44s have been confiscated from militia groups by U.S. forces in Iraq.

It was used by Lithuanian partisans during the armed resistance against the Soviet presence, 1944–1953.

During the Syrian Civil War, a weapons cache of 5,000 StG 44s were captured by Syrian rebels in the city of Aleppo. Later, photos surfaced of the rebels using them in combat.  <END>


Apparantly not that rare anymore....reported that the FSA captured appx 5000 STG44s in Aleppo. God only knows what will happen to them though.
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« Last Edit: December 12, 2012, 04:10:37 PM by mbailey »
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Re: Check your closets
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2012, 04:07:43 PM »
Perhaps I need to stake these things out. I wonder how many curio & relics actually get "melted" down.  :rolleyes:
There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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Re: Check your closets
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2012, 04:12:39 PM »
Perhaps I need to stake these things out. I wonder how many curio & relics actually get "melted" down.  :rolleyes:

Tell ya the truth, makes me get sick thinking of it.

I had a gentleman (WW2 Vet)  i did work for, give me all his WW2 stuff, including a German fighter pilots flight watch that he "liberated" in France.....the reason, he was worried his grand daughters were going to back up a dumpster and throw it all out when he passed......scares me to think that this happens on a daily basis.
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Re: Check your closets
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2012, 04:22:21 PM »
I see the "AK-47 is an STG44 copy" myth still lives on...

Those Syrian sturms are probably made post-war in France or Eastern Europe, so they won't be as valuable as German wartime examples.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2012, 04:23:37 PM »
Well, I was being somewhat sarcastic. I'm sure most of these relics don't get "melted". Pistols and rifles are a lot easier to "melt" than a select fire assault rifle.

However, I do agree it's other stuff that is simply being tossed like documents, patches, uniforms.
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Re: Check your closets
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2012, 06:00:00 PM »
I see the "AK-47 is an STG44 copy" myth still lives on...

Those Syrian sturms are probably made post-war in France or Eastern Europe, so they won't be as valuable as German wartime examples.

If you think that the AK is %100 completely free of StG 44 influence you've been the one smoking a myth.  There are legit sources out there that say the SKS was designed with 2 firearms as a template: the Tokerov SVT-40 and the StG 44.  When the AK-47 was designed (contrary to the famed designer's testimony), he had in front of him the SKS, the SVT-40, and prints/designs from the StG 44 (supposedly Mr. K never ever laid hands on an actual StG 44). 

I know all of this is disputed and I ultimately do not care, but this "myth" is no different than the engineers of a car company in the early 1900's never took a part a Ford to design their own car for massed production.  The design features and usage theories are far too similar to think of them as coincidental.  ;)         
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Re: Check your closets
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2012, 06:42:49 PM »
If you think that the AK is %100 completely free of StG 44 influence you've been the one smoking a myth.  There are legit sources out there that say the SKS was designed with 2 firearms as a template: the Tokerov SVT-40 and the StG 44.  When the AK-47 was designed (contrary to the famed designer's testimony), he had in front of him the SKS, the SVT-40, and prints/designs from the StG 44 (supposedly Mr. K never ever laid hands on an actual StG 44). 

I know all of this is disputed and I ultimately do not care, but this "myth" is no different than the engineers of a car company in the early 1900's never took a part a Ford to design their own car for massed production.  The design features and usage theories are far too similar to think of them as coincidental.  ;)         

GScholz didn't say that the StG 44 didn't influence Kalashnikov, he said that the AK-47 wasn't a copy. There's no doubt that the German rifle had an influence. However, Kalashnikov had much different design goals. Ultimately, for less educated, less well training soldiers, the AK-47 is a superior weapon compared to the StG 44. It's nearly indestructible, and can be operated and field stripped by a chimpanzee. Accuracy is dodgy beyond 200 yards, but it can put a lot of lead down range with enough accuracy to be deadly. It truly is the "common man's" weapon....
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Re: Check your closets
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2012, 06:51:19 PM »
If you think that the AK is %100 completely free of StG 44 influence you've been the one smoking a myth.  There are legit sources out there that say the SKS was designed with 2 firearms as a template: the Tokerov SVT-40 and the StG 44.  When the AK-47 was designed (contrary to the famed designer's testimony), he had in front of him the SKS, the SVT-40, and prints/designs from the StG 44 (supposedly Mr. K never ever laid hands on an actual StG 44). 

I know all of this is disputed and I ultimately do not care, but this "myth" is no different than the engineers of a car company in the early 1900's never took a part a Ford to design their own car for massed production.  The design features and usage theories are far too similar to think of them as coincidental.  ;)         

The gas system is similar to the STG, but the rest is very different mechanically. There's some M1 Garand in there, some Browning. The folding stock on the AKS is from an MP40. The action is based on Kalashnikov's earlier carbine design, strongly influenced by the Garand, that lost to the SKS for service with the Red Army. To say the the AK-47 is a copy of the STG44 is just pure bollocks. That the STG influenced Kalashnikov's design layout is obvious.

The STG44's most direct descendant is the H&K G-3 series, even if the design moved away from gas operation to roller delayed blowback.

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