Get the DA back to Normal!

[blazer65]

sucks when the shoes on the other foot huh copprhead? the DA is crap anyway. its a fake MA whose regulars are scared to fly the real MA. but they would fit right in with the MA. they can hangout at the end of runways waiting for lifters in the MA, just like they do in the DA. they can pick 1vs1's in the MA, just like they do in the DA. and run from fights, just like the MA. i think the jets fit right in with the fake MA mentality.

Disagree completely.  The DA furball lake is nothing like the MA in anyway.  Its completely different.  The regulars in the DA, to me, seem to be guys who just want to dogfight.  Maybe all they like is dogfighting, maybe they are just trying to practice dogfighting.  Not everyone wants to bomb stuff, or try to take bases, or run mission type flights with their squads all the time.  Sometimes guys just want to lift off at start fighting.  Why would you say they are "scared to fly the real MA."  Im not sure why anyone would judge the DA as crap or as a "fake MA".  You sound like someone who went in there and got worked and is now sour about it.

[blazer65]

Unfortunately this is all I find in here....many times it will be regulars who run to friends if they have lost the turn fight and even of another chess piece....it is just pathetic.......I used to go often but it does seem to have deteriorated at the lake.....Do you still frequent the place shida? ... it was quite a different place when you and ardy...and there were a few others there helping others out a couple/three years back...surely if you look back at that time you can see that there has been a steady decline of competitiveness at the lake..there is much more bully tactics there now.

The lake is the lake I know...but it too had a good vibe...now though...in my opinion it is like a little club and if you are not a member you are out... in reflection though...it is good thing as I prefer not to be known as a member

I've been in the DA alot lately, and I dont see any of this.  All I find is a bunch of guys who want quick action.  Its not tactical, or strategic.  Just a quick action furball, and IMO, fun.  If I want MA type gaming, I go to the MA.

[Zoney]

What may seem at first blush to be an "us against them" argument upon closer examination to be an "us aginst us" argument.

Derisively describing how someone plays because you don't agree with their actions is unlikely to persuade them to change.

[blazer65]

Ah the popular misconception that the DA lake regulars are afraid to fly in the MA  

The biggest distinguishing feature between the furball lake and the MA is that DA sticks typically engage and fight it out whatever, whereas the typical MA pilot fades in and out according to whether they posses the advantage or not, so 'scared to fly the real MA' is rather amusing to me.

Btw, I don't know what your problem is with Copprhead, but he's probably done more to promote good friendly fights than anyone in there since the regulars of The Breakfast Club gave up trying to do so.



You can segregate those that fly at the lake into two factions: those that fight, and those that show up to exploit those that fight, that's why the 262 would be an even bigger pest than the Tempests.

I agree.  However, I've found that the vast majority of planes I see in there are not Tempest.  I see alot of Brews, 109's, Zero's, Spits.  There are those who you can tell come in the DA so they can fly the C-Hawg and F4U-4 and Tempest for free, but they are not nearly in the majority, IMO.  And even then, who cares?  Tempests are easy as hell to shoot down in a furball.  Eventually the BnZ'ers get impatient, and start turning in the furball with the rest of us.   That why I almost always fly the Brewster in the DA, cuz it almost always breaks down into a tight turn fight in the end.

[VuduVee]

well, they do exactly what the MA folks do. the difference is that the DA has 5-10 people in it. the MA has 300. in the DA the regs can sit at the end of the runway for easy kills, pick 1vs1s, etc..., with no real chance of another red diving out to kill them. but the MA its not so easy to do. theres always a new fight immediately. less people makes it easier for them. the MA isnt as easy to do that in, so the DA regs stay in the DA.
im sure you percieve copprhead as always promoting fun fair fights bc thats what youve seen him do. but for me, thats not what ive seen him and the other regs do. the 2 times i went to the DA, all i seen was copprhead picking me 3 times while im 1vs1. him and the other regs waiting at the end of the runway for easy kills. it was exactly like the MA. i towered, asked a squaddie to the TA and we practiced our acm chops there.

[blazer65]

well, they do exactly what the MA folks do. the difference is that the DA has 5-10 people in it. the MA has 300. in the DA the regs can sit at the end of the runway for easy kills, pick 1vs1s, etc..., with no real chance of another red diving out to kill them. but the MA its not so easy to do. theres always a new fight immediately. less people makes it easier for them. the MA isnt as easy to do that in, so the DA regs stay in the DA.
im sure you percieve copprhead as always promoting fun fair fights bc thats what youve seen him do. but for me, thats not what ive seen him and the other regs do. the 2 times i went to the DA, all i seen was copprhead picking me 3 times while im 1vs1. him and the other regs waiting at the end of the runway for easy kills. it was exactly like the MA. i towered, asked a squaddie to the TA and we practiced our acm chops there.

You are compltely talking out your are Arse now man.  The DA is completly different style of gaming than the MA, I still dont understand why you are comparing the two.  Have you been there lately, maybe more than the 2 times you got your butt hurt?  I NEVER see anyone vulching at the lake.  Whats the point?  We are in the DA to dogfight, not rack up vulch kills or get perk points.  Honestly, I NEVER see the type of stuff you talking about man, and I've been in the DA atleast 3-4 nights a week for the past few months.  

Also, if you are at the Furball lake.......its a FURBALL.  The lake is not for 1v1.  There are dozens of other bases you can go to in the DA if you want to 1v1 duel.  The lake is for furballing.  If you can't handle the heat, stay out the kitchen.  

[Nathan60]

No, Blazer in this community once a person gets upset about an arena they will dog it for the rest of time (AVA).

[blazer65]

No, Blazer in this community once a person gets upset about an arena they will dog it for the rest of time (AVA).

Lol, haterz gon hate. 

Ooooooo.  I like this a lot.  Except you neglected a small factoid:  most of the DA regulars are F3 gamers and while I find most of them fearless of the MA, I do find most of them ego-bound to the DA for their dependence on F3 gunnery.

I always wonder if this is true.  For the longest time I didnt even realize you can use F3 mode in the DA (i know, im not the brightest crayon).  However, I still dont use F3 mode, unless on the rare occassion that I am practicing a specific maneuver and want to see how it looks from the outside.  But c'mon, those of you who have flown with me know I can't be practicing all that often, or I wouldn't be so easy to shoot down,  

Personally, I use TrackIR, and therefore F3 mode screws me up cuz TrackIR doesn't work when in F3 mode.  I think F3 mode is actually harder for me, much less natural and harder to aim. I dont use tracers.  

[The Fugitive]

I was at furball lake the other day, Upped a 109F got into three fights 1 on 1, before it ended I had some clown come in and "help" me by picking all three cons. Called it a day at that point.

[Threeup]

Skuzzy,
is that possible to enable the 262s only at a certain pair of airfields (far enough from the furball lake) to let us practice jet vs jet dogfighting?

Pure Genius. I knew you weren't just a pretty face.

[blazer65]

I was at furball lake the other day, Upped a 109F got into three fights 1 on 1, before it ended I had some clown come in and "help" me by picking all three cons. Called it a day at that point.

Did you ask him to stay off?  The lake is not generally for 1v1, its a furball, so people dont stay off usually unless their countryman asks them to stay off.  I usually see people who want to 1v1 ask someone else to meet them at one of the other bases to duel. 

[VuduVee]

so, youre calling me a liar? im just making things up? you didnt see it, so it cant have happened? it did happen both times, and no butt play was involved. you dont know why i compare the two arenas? furballs are constant in the MA, so why would anyone go to the DA for a frkn furball? its the same exact thing. when i went, i went expecting dogfighting, not furballing. if you want dogfighting like you say the regs do, you dont end up in a furball. i went thinking the folks in there had the pure dogfighting mentality going, like you say, and like "dueling" means. but i was wrong, bc you still get your name in lights, which makes for a pretty good reason to do everything i said happened when i went. so the purity of the dogfighting the regs are seeking goes out the window. exactly like the MA. the people there want a kill any way they can get it, just like the MA. thats how i can compare them.

[Wiley]

so, youre calling me a liar? im just making things up? you didnt see it, so it cant have happened? it did happen both times, and no butt play was involved. you dont know why i compare the two arenas? furballs are constant in the MA, so why would anyone go to the DA for a frkn furball? its the same exact thing. when i went, i went expecting dogfighting, not furballing. if you want dogfighting like you say the regs do, you dont end up in a furball. i went thinking the folks in there had the pure dogfighting mentality going, like you say, and like "dueling" means. but i was wrong, bc you still get your name in lights, which makes for a pretty good reason to do everything i said happened when i went. so the purity of the dogfighting the regs are seeking goes out the window. exactly like the MA. the people there want a kill any way they can get it, just like the MA. thats how i can compare them.

If you want to duel, ask people to duel, go to one of the dueling airbases, and do it.  MA needs no further explanation, "Furball Lake"...  Doesn't really sound like someplace one goes for 1v1.  If it was, it would be called '1v1 Lake', wouldn't it?

But no, the guys on the other side have to be psychic and know you're there to have your precious 1v1 in the middle of the furball regardless of what's going on around you. 

Wiley.

[blazer65]

so, youre calling me a liar? im just making things up? you didnt see it, so it cant have happened? it did happen both times, and no butt play was involved. you dont know why i compare the two arenas? furballs are constant in the MA, so why would anyone go to the DA for a frkn furball? its the same exact thing. when i went, i went expecting dogfighting, not furballing. if you want dogfighting like you say the regs do, you dont end up in a furball. i went thinking the folks in there had the pure dogfighting mentality going, like you say, and like "dueling" means. but i was wrong, bc you still get your name in lights, which makes for a pretty good reason to do everything i said happened when i went. so the purity of the dogfighting the regs are seeking goes out the window. exactly like the MA. the people there want a kill any way they can get it, just like the MA. thats how i can compare them.

I'm not callin you a liar. I am calling you an ignorant whiner who doesn't know what you are talking about.  The DA furball lake is for fuballing, and only furballing.  You complaining about getting picked is a worthless complaint.  Its a FURBALL.  Stay out of the lake if you dont want to be involved in it.  If you want to 1v1 duel, then ask someone to go duel you.  

If you seriously do not understand the difference between the DA Furball lake and random furballs in the MA, then you are a retard.  Not much else to say about that.

Your whining about the dogfighting vs furballing is NEWB nonsense.  Just because the arena is called the "Dueling Arena", doesn't mean that all fighting going on in the Arena is a duel.    The DA lake area is labeled on the map "FURBALLING".  Obviously HTC put that label on the map by the lake area for a reason, right?  If you dont want to be in a furball, then dont go in there.  Its not that hard to understand, man.

You are talking out of your arse.  I'm glad you've gone into the lake TWICE, and now feel like your opinion on it is based on realistic experience, and means anything to anyone who actually plays in there, and knows what they are talking about.  Now put on a fresh diaper, and run along to your preciously pure MA.

[ink]

I was vulched at the lake once and then just kept ripping into the guy that did it....he stopped....

been there many times, the Lake is fun for quick action....and gunnery practice.