One LW tour with HO turned off

[Slade]

HOing is wrong, but it can be avoided.

Wrong?

Depends on who is doing the judging perhaps.  If it is WWII pilots well they had no problem with it.

[save]

A way of lessen the HO's is not to present distances so precisely, if I know a target is within a certain distance its much easier to hit.

If a target is within 1.5k and no range is presented except like '>1.5k'  its so much harder predict when to shoot.

I frequently shoot at 600-800 yard off angle because I know where to aim with computed precision.

[Karnak]

A way of lessen the HO's is not to present distances so precisely, if I know a target is within a certain distance its much easier to hit.

If a target is within 1.5k and no range is presented except like '>1.5k'  its so much harder predict when to shoot.

I frequently shoot at 600-800 yard off angle because I know where to aim with computed precision.

That would likely increase the occurrence of the HO as an attack due to not needing any deflection.

[Debrody]

Wrong?

Depends on who is doing the judging perhaps.  If it is WWII pilots well they had no problem with it.

Read my post further. Debrody almost died to his last victory.

[The Fugitive]

Read my post further. Debrody almost died to his last victory.

Maybe that is an idea, we don't die really. Maybe if they made the HO so that if you "die" to it you have to spend 5 minutes in the tower recovering. This way there is a penalty for taking the chance on a HO.

[Slade]

but he got a 20mm round into his stomach too. Took him 6 months til he could walk again. Im pretty damn sure he would have never ever tryed to HO again...

Good point yes.

For the remainder of WWII pilots that this did not happen to that used the Ho (Bong etc.) perhaps not.

I think this topic will never go away.  I don't mind if someone tries to Ho me (not polarized on judging it as "bad").  It is not something I go out of my way to try to do.  It was used in WWII.  It is kinda like a joust from the knight days. 

[RotBaron]

I got my first kill, then a second and third today using the newly acquired knowledge I have on proper use of the lead turn.      Of course, what I realized is this is what I've been trying to do all along but using too much maneuver and loosing E. Horizontal separation seems to be more difficult than nosing down into redout and then Immelman to come out above and descend on him 

What was slightly frustrating is in between those kills I got HO-killed a few times, so I'm sure it's going to take awhile before I get a good hang of it. For some reason this was a difficult concept to grasp even after watching numerous  videos, thanks Dawger and Fire57. Difficult until it worked and I knew why it worked. I've avoided HO's before and killed the bandit, but not with much comprehension as to why I was able to.

Pretty cool to be learning all of these things, never dreamt how vast the amount of knowledge set is. Gives me even that much more appreciation for WWII pilots in that they were able to acquire these skills and perfect them in such a short amount of time and especially considering they didn't have the luxury of dying over and over to get it right. I know from reading JG 26 how young some of the aces were and it's even more amazing to me now.

Thanks to everybody who has helped me along the way here.

HOmonkeys I'm coming for ya! 

 
Rot 

[cobia38]

 HO is a good tactic to use to make a B/Z bird break hard and lose E,I do this often with great success and I am  not ashamed to admit it.

[jimson]

That would affect a great deal more than just HOs.

There really isn't any practical way to disable HOs without also disabling a number of other things with it.

Can't say I'm a real fan of this idea anyway, but it seems like you could create a clear shield that would only defeat straight on shots like indicated in red here.

[Karnak]

Can't say I'm a real fan of this idea anyway, but it seems like you could create a clear shield that would only defeat straight on shots like indicated in red here.

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That would also mitigate damage from other angles, though less so than from the HO.

[jimson]

Might be about as close as you could get to isolating out the HO, if one was determined to do a sim like that.

[jimson]

I suppose so. The further forward the armored plates were from the object and the closer they fit the front profile geometry, the less the deflection shots would be mitigated.

[R 105]

 The HO is just the John Wayne merge face to face guns blazing and there is nothing wrong with it it is a legitimate tactic. The US 50 cal can score hit at a 1000 yards out so fire until you close to 400 and break. Depending on what plane you chose to HO will dictate your success rate.  

[RotBaron]

The HO is just the John Wayne merge face to face guns blazing and there is nothing wrong with it it is a legitimate tactic. The US 50 cal can score hit at a 1000 yards out so fire until you close to 400 and break. Depending on what plane you chose to HO will dictate your success rate.  

 

[The Fugitive]

I think it's too much work, but you could have two sets of shields. Only rounds passing through both set at the same spots are thrown out, this way angle shots could still work. You could also control how much an angle you allow also.

As many have said the HO is here to stay. I just wish there was a way to make it not so effective. Being effective draws the newbs into believing it's the quickest, easiest way to get a kill. Unfortunately far too many of the newbs don't progress beyond this point and so we have a vast majority doing it.

Maybe they can hand out a star for not shooting on a head on merge