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Offline Tank-Ace

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Re: Tested HE
« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2012, 02:26:13 PM »
I didn't realize pictures were nessecary. Someone quick, find pictures of everything, even the well known, extensively documented things. Who knows if the mossie had guns unless we see pictures?!?!
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Re: Tested HE
« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2012, 06:07:48 PM »
I'm sorry ack-ack I looked but there were no pictures available. And Wal-Mart is all out of picture cutouts about the Firefly also.  :rolleyes:
Nice sarcasm.

Has anybody managed to post logs showing P-51Ds carrying two 1000lb bombs and six 5" HVAR rockets?  I've not seen any.  Did the USAAF not keep such records?
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Re: Tested HE
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2012, 06:30:42 PM »
Nice sarcasm.

Has anybody managed to post logs showing P-51Ds carrying two 1000lb bombs and six 5" HVAR rockets?  I've not seen any.  Did the USAAF not keep such records?

USAAF was very good about keeping records, squadron logs, personal biographies - I searched what small collection I have of information; of course the P-51 being one of the most popular aircrafts which had plenty of books on - did not ring up anything.

What Ack-ack says, is different, Firefly on the other hand, I cant find any information whether it carried AP or HE, however without actual evidence and support to back it up, really throws a wrench in.

I just rather be 100% accurate with information then throw wild guesses.
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Re: Tested HE
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2012, 10:09:45 PM »
Didnt need to. The purpose of the test was comparison of the M4A3-75 HE-APC with the Firefly.

Also obvious is the fact you pay little attention to what I have said previously about these tanks. I use the Tiger II and M4A3-75 almost exclusively and for different purposes. The Firefly ammunition is incorrect. Design your own test and prove me wrong. Please.

It doesn't matter what you've said previously about these tanks.  The proclamation you made in your opening post was incorrect, or at least short on information.

The Firefly HE, unless HTC has changed it without mentioning in the change log, is 140 lbs of HE.  It will take 3 hits from a Firefly to destroy a OBJ with 312 lbs of hardness (building, ammo bunker, fuel tank, barracks, etc). The M4A4/75mm will only take 2 thank to its 178 lbs of damage.  The Panther, Pzr IV's, T34/76, and LVT-4 will also take 2 rounds because they dish out 156 lbs of damage.  The King Tiger, Tiger, and T34/85 will also take 2 rounds to destroy a typical OBJ but they do 234 lbs of damage.  The M4A3 (W) 76mm and M18 need 4 rounds of HE to destroy a town building, etc, they only do 103 lbs of damage.  It isn't such a big deal vs the typical OBJ, but when hangers and shore batteries are brought in to play the big boys get their due at least on a round by round basis. You simply cant not judge them solely on using a town building as a control.   

I tested *all* of the weapons in AH *offline* and I know all of their damage values down to the pound vs OBJ with the exception of the shore battery, 8in naval gun, and 5in naval gun.       
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Re: Tested HE
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2012, 05:56:04 PM »
single 8in shell equals about 500lbs a single 5in shell equals about a 250lb bomb or a 100lb bomb I can't remember
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Re: Tested HE
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2012, 08:08:22 PM »
USAAF was very good about keeping records, squadron logs, personal biographies - I searched what small collection I have of information; of course the P-51 being one of the most popular aircrafts which had plenty of books on - did not ring up anything.

What Ack-ack says, is different, Firefly on the other hand, I cant find any information whether it carried AP or HE, however without actual evidence and support to back it up, really throws a wrench in.

I just rather be 100% accurate with information then throw wild guesses.
Try looking through AAR's for complaints about the weak HE shell. If you can't find official records, soldiers complaining should give you what you need.
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Re: Tested HE
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2012, 07:44:59 AM »
I've compared tiger HE with m4 75HE in the city and the tiger HE is a bit more destructive.

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Re: Tested HE
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2012, 01:04:55 PM »
M4 fires almost twice as fast though  :bolt:
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