P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception

[uptown]

First of all, who made the rule that in order to be a good 51 jockey you have to fight a certain way? Saying, "oh the 51 guy is good until he loses the advantage, then extends", is like saying the Brewster or Sptfire pilot is good until he loses the advantage, then he turns!   I just don't get that argument.

I think the problem with the 51s is everyone is a damned expert on them, everyone flies them and most run like hell at the first sign of trouble. Well listen up folks.....SO DOES 262S, F4U-4, AND TEMPEST GUYS!. If there were as many jets in the air as there are 51s in this game, the 51s wouldn't have the rep they do.

Personally I hate the bad rep the P51 has around here. But I understand why. So I try to fight whatever and whenever I can even when knowing I'm going to the tower shortly. I fought SFoxs' F4U-A one time in the knife fight. Not a good idea, but hey...better then running right? So after I lose he proceeds to tell me I don't fly the 51 correctly   If I had fought him "correctly" he would have been in the tower instead of me, and I would be called a running picker more then likely.

With all that being said, I've seen some outstanding 51 guys in the past. SkatSr and Steve come to mind as well as 0leDemon. And what set them apart was not so much their flying skills but their gunnery was 2nd to none. Alot of guys can get in there and mix it up with spits, hurris' and the such, but you better not miss your shot or you're toast. Because one you're out of E in a 51 it takes forever to get it back when you have no room to dive.

I can't speak to how good Rocky is...never fought him and BigR is on my side,...never fought him either. But right now B2B and RedTop are my favorite to fight. I'd like to get my hands on SirNuke but I can't ever catch him.  

I'd say there are bunches of good 51 sticks out there.... all with different styles and skill levels  

[Noir]

the la7 matchup in a P51 is actually not impossible, the spits are another story  

[tunnelrat]

The quoted bit in the OP was posted by a butt hurt Pony driver being passive-aggressive in Ink's thread. The comment has nothing to do with anything other than said Pony driver's misconceptions of what others think good P-51 flying looks like.

Karnak, from a butt-hurt pony driver, to a sweetheartbag who can't take a joke, touche.

I fly half a dozen planes in the set, regularly, sir.

My "misconception" was a joke aimed at those who decry pony pilots for flying too fast for them to use their advantages on.

You would think that since you literally live here on the forum you'd have picked up enough just by proxy to get that.

[uptown]

the la7 matchup in a P51 is actually not impossible, the spits are another story   

Yeah I would of had me a LaLa the other day until you dropped in and kilt me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

[Noir]

And who says I'm a runner? I currently kill 13 people per hour  

[uptown]

And who says I'm a runner? I currently kill 13 people per hour  

Man that's insane!  I only have about 3.75 or so an hour. I don't know how you guys do it 

[TwinBoom]

Man that's insane!  I only have about 3.75 or so an hour. I don't know how you guys do it 

Squad fighting alone its a different story

[Noir]

Squad fighting alone its a different story

if you're flying with bruv your kills/hours actually decrease from enemies deprivation  ...now if you give me some quality bait....

[Karnak]

The underlining point is true.  To some (I'd even go as far as saying most), if you're not in a sustained turn fight, you're not fighting.  As much as "fighting to your a/c's strengths" is a virtue, many people just want you to succumb to their will and let you kill them.

Consistent domination in turn fights by a Pony pilot?  I don't think you'll find one.  It's not as bad of a turner as some think, but if you're constantly getting into turn fights in a Pony, the only people you'll beat are other Pony's or below average pilots.

My primary ride is the Mosquito Mk VI, which has similar performance to the P-51D, turning slightly better and rolling worse, about the same climb and only 10mph slower on the deck.

Trust me when I say they can both be used aggressively without TnBing.

[Scotch]

SkatSr and Tango were two of the most aggressive. Haven't seen anyone like them lately. Only had BigR be that aggressive (and kill me) alone in an LA7.
I've literally run my fuel tank to empty chasing Rocky after he missed a pass. Rapier too.

[lulu]

I know to other players,

Lag and ping who make miracles ...   


 

[ink]

Olddemon was by far the best TnB 51 I personally have ever seen.....Steve was a phenomenal shot....but stayed fast.


even after all the time I have ingame...I still don't blame the plane for how the pilot flies them....P51 is a great bird....

[Tilt]

if you're flying with bruv your kills/hours actually decrease from enemies deprivation  ...now if you give me some quality bait....

Meet the bait ........

[RedTop]

First of all, who made the rule that in order to be a good 51 jockey you have to fight a certain way? Saying, "oh the 51 guy is good until he loses the advantage, then extends", is like saying the Brewster or Sptfire pilot is good until he loses the advantage, then he turns!   I just don't get that argument.

I think the problem with the 51s is everyone is a damned expert on them, everyone flies them and most run like hell at the first sign of trouble. Well listen up folks.....SO DOES 262S, F4U-4, AND TEMPEST GUYS!. If there were as many jets in the air as there are 51s in this game, the 51s wouldn't have the rep they do.

Personally I hate the bad rep the P51 has around here. But I understand why. So I try to fight whatever and whenever I can even when knowing I'm going to the tower shortly. I fought SFoxs' F4U-A one time in the knife fight. Not a good idea, but hey...better then running right? So after I lose he proceeds to tell me I don't fly the 51 correctly   If I had fought him "correctly" he would have been in the tower instead of me, and I would be called a running picker more then likely.

With all that being said, I've seen some outstanding 51 guys in the past. SkatSr and Steve come to mind as well as 0leDemon. And what set them apart was not so much their flying skills but their gunnery was 2nd to none. Alot of guys can get in there and mix it up with spits, hurris' and the such, but you better not miss your shot or you're toast. Because one you're out of E in a 51 it takes forever to get it back when you have no room to dive.

I can't speak to how good Rocky is...never fought him and BigR is on my side,...never fought him either. But right now B2B and RedTop are my favorite to fight. I'd like to get my hands on SirNuke but I can't ever catch him.  

I'd say there are bunches of good 51 sticks out there.... all with different styles and skill levels  

^ What he said...

And for the record...Thanks Uptown...B2B and I really enjoy the fights we have and have had with you as well...Always fun no matter how bad you whip me    !!!

SkatSr...Steve....Stang....Ta ngo...Bigr....and more than I can think of right now just whipped me into flying it at some point and time. I've ran a few times...to many films out there to deny that.    And for the most part I use the speed of the pony to my advantage...but I have fought it in the weeds quite a few times...dumping flaps and chopping the throttle like a ton of onions....In general I'm not very good in ANY plane....and don't care either....I used to...but now...I just want to have fun...score some kills...laugh with my squaddies..listen to a couple on vox cut jokes...

I fly it because I enjoy it....its fun...It does things well that suit my style of fighting right now....I've fought in teh weeds 1000's of times....in spits and stuff...now I fly different than I used to and the pony is what I choose to do it in.

The Pony Rep isn't deserved as bad as it is....do folks run? Yep...but as was said...so do MOST perk rides and others who just dont want to fight as bad...Its ok...its thier money. I pick a few...MISSS A TON!!!!...auger and hit trees often....run into guys cause I cant judge things...break crap all the time....

The pony is just another plane in the bunch...I'm not gonna turn fight a zeke...or spits very often....Prolly not a G6 or F3 or F6 either....no way I'll yank and bank my pony with an I16 or FM2...

Run90's get thier rep for a reason...Brewsters (I hate em... ) for a reason...Spits for a reason....Ponies just fall into the rep game cause people who ont fly em , or cant beat em at the ponies game dont like em.


Just my humble opinion!!!!

[Karnak]

Run90's get thier rep for a reason...Brewsters (I hate em... ) for a reason...Spits for a reason....Ponies just fall into the rep game cause people who ont fly em , or cant beat em at the ponies game dont like em.


Just my humble opinion!!!!

Uh huh.  You keep on believing your self validating stuff.  Ponies are disliked for reasons that are just as valid.